Apr 7, 2010 18:27
14 yrs ago
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français term
écoeurant
français vers anglais
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Produits alimentaires et Boissons
consumer description of food product
I'm wondering if there's a better term than 'sickening' to describe something you end up not wanting any more of (as the example shows, you can still have room for something else!). It's certainly not necessarily 'nauseating' - could it be rendered as 'to become fed up of' ?!
"on n'a pas envie non plus de manger un enorme bol de soupe c'est ecoeurant, les enfants ne vont pas finir et ils vont se reporter sur le dessert
"on n'a pas envie non plus de manger un enorme bol de soupe c'est ecoeurant, les enfants ne vont pas finir et ils vont se reporter sur le dessert
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you get sick of...
Perhaps turn the whole thing round - you'd get sick of eating a huge bowl of soup....
Peer comment(s):
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roneill
: i think that this is the best way of getting the idea across in English in this context.
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Thanks - like with too many Easter eggs perhaps?!
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Cetacea
: But you can never have too many Easter eggs! :-)
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John Detre
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thank you Claire, I really think this is the right idea. It is not really to do with the taste or consistency of the soup itself, but too much starts to put you off. Thanks to everyone for their input too. "
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gut wrenching
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jmleger
: nope
21 minutes
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Merci pour votre opinion ...
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Tony M
: Really not suitable in this context and register
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Merci pour votre opinion ...
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Glen McCulley
: way off the mark
15 heures
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Thank you for your opinion, Glen ...
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16 minutes
turns the stomach
it turns the stomach after a while...
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Chris Hall
: Yes, this is good.
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Thanks, Chris!
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jmleger
: Too strong, I think
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You're probably right. It suggests 'nauseating' whereas I think we seem to be swaying more towards 'too filling'.
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Tony M
: I rather agree with JML: too strong
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Too strong... my answer, or the soup? :-)
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Glen McCulley
: me too
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too filling
I think the adjectives sickly, disgusting, gut-wrenching are just too extreme for soup!!!
Peer comment(s):
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Chris Hall
: Yes, you do talk about soup being "too filling" don't you?
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Thanks, Chris
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
31 minutes
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agree |
philgoddard
34 minutes
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agree |
Mark Nathan
41 minutes
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agree |
Claire Nolan
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Tony M
: Y-e-s — except that really translates other FR terms, while this one is quite specific
2 heures
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agree |
Gail Bond
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agree |
Colin Morley (X)
: Looking at the comment from jmleger, I can't think of a better English expression. I agree that 'sickly' isn't really right for soup.
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0ff-putting
I think something less strong than sickening or nauseating is required in this context
Example sentence:
Ah, nothing more unappetizing and actually off putting than a buddha statue squatting on a dining room table, confront people as they enter.
Reference:
http://www.zimbio.com/Feng+Shui/articles/dtd5FezVF-u/Ah+nothing+more+unappetizing+actually+off
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Sheila Wilson
: By far the most appropriate, IMO
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jmleger
: I don't think so. You can find something off-putting before even having tasted it.
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Alison Curran
: I think this would work very well.
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roneill
: This is good also.
42 minutes
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Cetacea
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Carruthers (X)
: with the term, but not with the interpretation.
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sickly
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Note added at 15 mins (2010-04-07 18:43:23 GMT)
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If the bowl of soup is huge (as is the case here), then one would be able to eat only so much of it, before feeling sickly. Especially children.
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Note added at 20 mins (2010-04-07 18:48:00 GMT)
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on n'a pas envie non plus de manger un enorme bol de soupe c'est écoeurant,
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you no longer fee like eating a huge bowl of soup, it is sickly, the children are not going to finish it etc...
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Note added at 21 mins (2010-04-07 18:49:21 GMT)
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Question: If you eat too much of something, what happens?
Answer: You begin to feel sickly from over-indulging i.e. the "eyes bigger than your belly" concept.
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Note added at 26 mins (2010-04-07 18:53:58 GMT)
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A reference to support my "sickly" claim (I sincerely hope that "writeaway" sees this):
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1455581
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Note added at 15 mins (2010-04-07 18:43:23 GMT)
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If the bowl of soup is huge (as is the case here), then one would be able to eat only so much of it, before feeling sickly. Especially children.
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Note added at 20 mins (2010-04-07 18:48:00 GMT)
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on n'a pas envie non plus de manger un enorme bol de soupe c'est écoeurant,
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you no longer fee like eating a huge bowl of soup, it is sickly, the children are not going to finish it etc...
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Note added at 21 mins (2010-04-07 18:49:21 GMT)
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Question: If you eat too much of something, what happens?
Answer: You begin to feel sickly from over-indulging i.e. the "eyes bigger than your belly" concept.
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Note added at 26 mins (2010-04-07 18:53:58 GMT)
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A reference to support my "sickly" claim (I sincerely hope that "writeaway" sees this):
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1455581
Note from asker:
Chris - this is how I would describe a child who does not eat his veg! |
Peer comment(s):
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Sheila Wilson
: As in your WR link, I would reserve this for cakes and desserts
27 minutes
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Many thanks for your constructive feedback Sheila. It is a shame that others do not take note.
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jmleger
: No that does not work here I think.
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Shame, since it states in good dictionaries that "sickly" is its translation in the context of tasting food. You suggest "cloying" as a possible translation, yet it means the same thing as sickly. Very contradictory behaviour indeed.
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Jennifer White
: are you confusing "sickly" with "sick"? One feels sick, not sickly.
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it's sickening
a generic take that also includes a double entendre
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it really bloats you up
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it really bloats you up
Peer comment(s):
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Chris Hall
: Asker clearly states that he/she had already dismissed this possible translation.
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perhaps she shouldn't rule it out
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44 minutes
overwhelming/overfilling
That's the meaning. It's just too much.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2010-04-07 21:02:03 GMT)
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I like cloying as well
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I like cloying as well
Peer comment(s):
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
: or just too filling
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Alison Curran
: I like 'overwhelming' here. Not so sure about 'overfilling'
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roneill
: Overwhelming hits just the right note.
22 minutes
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Jennifer White
: Agree with overwhelming. (But overfilling???)
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cloying?
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Chris Hall
: "Cloying" means the same as "sickly", so must be incorrect. See discussion entry and my response to your disagree.
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
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Sandra Petch
: I've also heard "overfaced" used to describe "that sinking feeling" when served a huge portion of something!
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paraphrase
Picking up after JML's comment in Discussion, I'd say not only will it not go down after a while, but after a while it might risk coming up again. That, ultimately, is the meaning of the word, surely.
It would be interesting to know what product they are selling, for that might shed light on what they are trying to get at exactly.
I hardly think soup is in and of itself écoeurant (one with sheep's eyes or bits of solid fat and gristle floating about in it might be, however), so I suspect either they chose the wrong word or there is something fishy-soupy going on.
Without more info I'd be tempted to paraphrase along the lines of "it's simply something you can easily have too much of" - which takes us back to JML above.
Of course if you have too much of it, there's hardly going to be room for dessert. Remember, however, the differences between the digestive tracts of children and adults: after severance from milk only, a baby's digestive tract actually closes, and the only way for it to get nourishment is by osmosis directly into the bloodstream, which is why they smear food all over their cheeks. This shortcoming in the digestive tract is made up for after about 18 months by the development of one, maybe two extra stomachs, the first for desserts and the third, if there is one, for sweets. So as far as a child is concerned, even if the "dinner tummy" is full to bursting, there's still going to be room in the others. Generally these extra stomachs get absorbed, but multiple stomachs sometimes extend into adulthood.
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Then again, soup can be boring, something one might not have the heart/courage to finish, and in that respect it might be said to be disheartening, which brings us full circle.
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Oops, screwed up my coding again.
It would be interesting to know what product they are selling, for that might shed light on what they are trying to get at exactly.
I hardly think soup is in and of itself écoeurant (one with sheep's eyes or bits of solid fat and gristle floating about in it might be, however), so I suspect either they chose the wrong word or there is something fishy-soupy going on.
Without more info I'd be tempted to paraphrase along the lines of "it's simply something you can easily have too much of" - which takes us back to JML above.
Of course if you have too much of it, there's hardly going to be room for dessert. Remember, however, the differences between the digestive tracts of children and adults: after severance from milk only, a baby's digestive tract actually closes, and the only way for it to get nourishment is by osmosis directly into the bloodstream, which is why they smear food all over their cheeks. This shortcoming in the digestive tract is made up for after about 18 months by the development of one, maybe two extra stomachs, the first for desserts and the third, if there is one, for sweets. So as far as a child is concerned, even if the "dinner tummy" is full to bursting, there's still going to be room in the others. Generally these extra stomachs get absorbed, but multiple stomachs sometimes extend into adulthood.
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Then again, soup can be boring, something one might not have the heart/courage to finish, and in that respect it might be said to be disheartening, which brings us full circle.
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Oops, screwed up my coding again.
Peer comment(s):
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John Detre
: with "something you can have too much of" // Are you saying it's not scientific fact??!!
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Meaning you believe that claptrap about children having gullets that reach their bellies ;-)
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jmleger
: Keenly observed, your lesson on the digestive system of children. I remember noting that with my own kid. who tried to inhale his first birthday chocolate cake by plunging head first in it for a nap.
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Tony M
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Evans (X)
: I actually like the idea of "disheartening" or even "daunting" in this context. Faced with an enormous bowl of turnip soup you could lose the will to live.
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cloying
As per JML's suggestion and several other people's agreement!
I really think this is a good way to render it: although not all things that are écœurant may be cloying, I think it could be said to cover most categories in a general sort of way.
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Here is the relevant definition from NS OED regarding the verb 'to cloy' (and hence, cloying):
3 v.t. & i. Satiate, weary, or nauseate by richness, sweetness, sameness, or excess, of food, pleasure, attention, etc. (Foll. by with.)
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Note added at 11 hrs (2010-04-08 05:40:43 GMT)
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I totally agree with many of the comments here, to the effect that 'écœurant' covers a whole range of "couldn't eat another mouthful" feelings, from 'downright nauseating', to simply 'had too much'; one does perhaps just need to judge where on that scale is appropriate for the register in the specific context as given?
It seems to me that 'cloying' represents one particular subset of all the things that 'écœurant' represents — and I agree that it is not a word one commonly associates with soup (though it is still very much in common usage).
I feel that 'sickly' represents an even narrower subset, and of all the foods I can think of that might be described as 'sickly', I find it very hard to imagine it applied to any kind of soup — unless it be some highly original concoction like velouté of chocolate mousse and curry!
I think in the present context, it is clear that the respondent is syaing that, however good the soup may be, you don't want too large a serving, as after a while it is just too much / you've had enough. This of course approaches the idea of 'overfilling', but the trouble with that, as I see it, is that 'filling' refers to the character of the food itself, which is not, I believe, the true issue here. For example, you might have a delicate consommée — the furthest thing you can imagine from something hearty and filling — and yet a vast bowl of it might eventually leave you feeling 'écœuré'.
Of course, we must guard here against a too-literal interpretation of dictionary sugestions; they just don't have enough space to tackle the kind of subtleties of meaning in context that we are discussing here, nor to make the often vital distinctions between close but not exact synonyms.
I really think this is a good way to render it: although not all things that are écœurant may be cloying, I think it could be said to cover most categories in a general sort of way.
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Note added at 10 hrs (2010-04-08 05:24:33 GMT)
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Here is the relevant definition from NS OED regarding the verb 'to cloy' (and hence, cloying):
3 v.t. & i. Satiate, weary, or nauseate by richness, sweetness, sameness, or excess, of food, pleasure, attention, etc. (Foll. by with.)
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Note added at 11 hrs (2010-04-08 05:40:43 GMT)
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I totally agree with many of the comments here, to the effect that 'écœurant' covers a whole range of "couldn't eat another mouthful" feelings, from 'downright nauseating', to simply 'had too much'; one does perhaps just need to judge where on that scale is appropriate for the register in the specific context as given?
It seems to me that 'cloying' represents one particular subset of all the things that 'écœurant' represents — and I agree that it is not a word one commonly associates with soup (though it is still very much in common usage).
I feel that 'sickly' represents an even narrower subset, and of all the foods I can think of that might be described as 'sickly', I find it very hard to imagine it applied to any kind of soup — unless it be some highly original concoction like velouté of chocolate mousse and curry!
I think in the present context, it is clear that the respondent is syaing that, however good the soup may be, you don't want too large a serving, as after a while it is just too much / you've had enough. This of course approaches the idea of 'overfilling', but the trouble with that, as I see it, is that 'filling' refers to the character of the food itself, which is not, I believe, the true issue here. For example, you might have a delicate consommée — the furthest thing you can imagine from something hearty and filling — and yet a vast bowl of it might eventually leave you feeling 'écœuré'.
Of course, we must guard here against a too-literal interpretation of dictionary sugestions; they just don't have enough space to tackle the kind of subtleties of meaning in context that we are discussing here, nor to make the often vital distinctions between close but not exact synonyms.
Peer comment(s):
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jmleger
: you have my vote
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Thanks, J-M!
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John Detre
: I have to admit I had to look it up to find out that this is a possible meaning of cloying -- I thought, when applied to food, cloying was reserved for things that are too sweet or rich. I wonder how many people would understand it the same way as me?
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Thanks, John! I agree the meaning is slightly skewed, but certainly encompasses some of what écœurant means, without becoming disgusting.
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Chris Hall
: Too archaic and a word, which is very rarely used nowadays.
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Thanks, Chris! Certainly not archaic, and very common indeed, even today.
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Bourth (X)
: Like JD, I associate it with sweet, rich, heavy foods. But I haven't checked a dictionary.
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Thanks, Alex! I've pasted part of the definition from NS OED above / Yes, I agree, it is only a subset of the idea of 'écœurant'; think; too, of a 'cloying perfume'...
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Linda Sansome (X)
: 'Cloy' also means having had a surfeit - an excess, which seems right here. Relationships can be 'cloying' as well! Just too much of a good thing, perhaps.
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Thanks, Linda! My feelings exactly...
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
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16 heures
just gets too much after a while
That'd be my take... the "after a while" is important, as soup is NOT inherently sickly, etc. it just quickly gets too filling/toomuch of the same thing,
2 heures
gets too rich (nauseousness is implied)
Hello,
Getting too much of rich foods can get nauseating. Perhaps, "nauseating" isn't the best word, but that's what's being implied, imho.
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2010-04-09 15:25:06 GMT)
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Yes, soups can be rich, and if you eat a little too much of any of the, you can get a bit sick to your stomach.
Getting too much of rich foods can get nauseating. Perhaps, "nauseating" isn't the best word, but that's what's being implied, imho.
I hope this helps.
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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2010-04-09 15:25:06 GMT)
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Yes, soups can be rich, and if you eat a little too much of any of the, you can get a bit sick to your stomach.
Discussion
[goût] sickly, cloying.