| Pages sur ce sujet: < [1 2 3] > | Anti-virus and anti-spam software - your recommendations? Auteur du fil: Alexandra Goldburt
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| Education, but.... | Jul 4, 2008 |
Ivana Friis Wilson wrote:
I still feel that education is far better than anti virus software.
Yes, and in fact I agree. An informed computer user is a safer user. But unfortunately being cautious cannot protect you all the time. There will be some moment in which someone uploads some infected document without being aware of an infection.
And I still think my traffic analogy is quite valid: even if you are an educated, conscious driver, never speed, never drink and drive, never drive when you are tired, take precautions and watch a lot what other people do, keep the distance... there will always be some nut at an intersection who does not care a damn about his/her safety or your safety. The safety belt and airbags are a good idea, and so are antivirus software products.
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| Anti-virus and anti-spam software - your recommendations? | Jul 4, 2008 |
Ivana Friis Wilson wrote:
I used to be a Linux user and recently had to switch to Windows (CAT tool issues etc) and I have had no problems with spam or viruses.
A pity that you found it necessary to downgrade.
Couldn't you revert to your industrial-strength system, and run Windows in an emulator just for those legacy applications that still require it? Not a perfect solution, but a lot of people are happy with it.
Marc
| | | | Ivana Søndergaard
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| Gmail is a very good solution. | Jul 4, 2008 |
Thomas, of course you are to a certain degree right. Maybe I am just being naive as I have never had any trouble.
Marc, I did research the various options but it was too much trouble. I have always tried to maintain a Windows-free environment and I was very happy with Ubuntu, my last install on my laptop. I really wanted a Mac, but I didn't have the money - I ended up just putting Windows on my laptop instead of getting a new machine. I am actuallly quite happy with XP, it's not too... See more Thomas, of course you are to a certain degree right. Maybe I am just being naive as I have never had any trouble.
Marc, I did research the various options but it was too much trouble. I have always tried to maintain a Windows-free environment and I was very happy with Ubuntu, my last install on my laptop. I really wanted a Mac, but I didn't have the money - I ended up just putting Windows on my laptop instead of getting a new machine. I am actuallly quite happy with XP, it's not too bad.
But, we are really off-topic and have been for a while, sorry Alexandra.
I just realised that I do actually have anti virus protection on email level:
Gmail. The spam filter is very good and gmail also scans for viruses in any email and attachment. It's also great to have an online email program but the best thing is that you never have to delete another email, not even empty your trash, because gmail provides more or less unlimited space! I pick up email from multiple non-gmail accounts and it's just working great. I recommend it highly and there are tons of other functions, like filters for organizing your email, Google Reader and Google Calendar - all right there in your gmail.
I think you will find that gmail might be exactly what you are looking for. It's also free ▲ Collapse
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SITE LOCALIZER | Anti-virus + Anti-spam + Firewall = a must | Jul 4, 2008 |
I agree with most of my peers in this thread that anyone with an internet connection should absolutely have an anti-virus + anti-spam and firewall installed, running and regularly updated.
I used Norton, the whole suite actually, for many years, but I stopped after a major infection, when most of my files on disk were corrupted and lost for ever. This happened at a time when I had only a slow dial-up connection... And I did not get these viruses by e-mail, but while browsing some a... See more I agree with most of my peers in this thread that anyone with an internet connection should absolutely have an anti-virus + anti-spam and firewall installed, running and regularly updated.
I used Norton, the whole suite actually, for many years, but I stopped after a major infection, when most of my files on disk were corrupted and lost for ever. This happened at a time when I had only a slow dial-up connection... And I did not get these viruses by e-mail, but while browsing some allegedly secure sites.
When the problem occurred (some five years ago) I installed AVG anti-virus, which detected a bunch of viruses and other infections that Norton did not even notice. No need to say that I switched immediately to AVG and I am satisfied.
I also recommend Ad-Aware and Spybot. I am running both of them without any conflict between them - just to be on the safe side and to prevent having to cure any problems ▲ Collapse
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| Thank you to all who took time to answer. | Jul 4, 2008 |
My experience with Norton was similar to Tomás’ – it slows you down considerably, insults you in bright red colors and takes a lot of time to install, upgrade, or remove.
My experience with NOD32: not bad, so far, except:
1. Every time I run a scan, when it finds something (mostly adware or Trojan), it stops and asks me what do I want to do with it, and would not resume the scan until I check “delete”. So I cannot start the scan and walk away, but have to ba... See more My experience with Norton was similar to Tomás’ – it slows you down considerably, insults you in bright red colors and takes a lot of time to install, upgrade, or remove.
My experience with NOD32: not bad, so far, except:
1. Every time I run a scan, when it finds something (mostly adware or Trojan), it stops and asks me what do I want to do with it, and would not resume the scan until I check “delete”. So I cannot start the scan and walk away, but have to baby-sit it instead. Not only that, but many times it found some adware and the “delete” option was greyed out, so I could not delete it.
2. Now, time came to renew it. OK, I confess I waited a few days past the expiration day, but last night I decided that it's time to renew. Well, I go on ESET website, enter my e-mail, password and user name - and it tells me that they cannot find me. I wrote an e-mail to customer service, but, given that today is a holyday in the US, I probably won’t receive an answer until Monday.
So, now my options are: either wait until Monday, or try AVG or Avast instead (I certainly like the price!). Unless I decide to go Ivana’s way and not have it and not worry – but I am not that brave.
And I’ll check Firetrust Mailwasher and see if it works for me – thank you for the recommendation, Tomás.
What I’m sure of is that I am not going back to Norton! ▲ Collapse
| | | | Andrea Riffo
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| Another vote for NOD32 | Jul 5, 2008 |
I haven't had any problems since I bought it, and it does not slow down my PC. My only objection would be that it's a little confusing to use at first.
For anti-spam, I use SpamBayes for incoming mail in Oulook, plus the NOD32 Outlook scanner to check for viruses in the incoming and outgoing mail.
Greetings
| | | | | Don't have any trouble either.... but... | Jul 5, 2008 |
Ivana Friis Wilson wrote:
Thomas, of course you are to a certain degree right. Maybe I am just being naive as I have never had any trouble.
Generally we don't have problems either. We have firewalls on the router and on each PC, are very careful about what we open (I get tons of allegedly funny Powerpoint presentations and Word documents from friends; and I delete them before opening them, just in case), try not to visit websites offering miracles for a dollar, disabled script features in browsers, disabled autostart features for CD drives, etc. etc.
But one day my wife brought home an infection from her high school on an USB pen! And in their high school they reboot and reformat all workshop computers every day with a fresh OS so they are supposedly safe. Trouble can come from a source you never considered! The "enemy" can be someone you love and trust!
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And in their high school they reboot and reformat all workshop computers every day with a fresh OS so they are supposedly safe.
Talk about overkill...
I pity the person who has to sit through multiple windows installs every day.
I hope they use system backups but still, that is radical.
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| Never use a network without running both a virus scanner and a firewall | Jul 5, 2008 |
Ivana Friis Wilson wrote:
I have no antivirus program. I use the spam filter in my gmail. I don't even have a firewall. I have never had any problems.
Just be careful. Don't open mail that looks suspicious. Don't open any attachments that you haven't agreed to receive. Don't download stuff from suspicious sources.
Use your common sense and you don't need either programs.
I am sorry, but what you advocate is reckless. For several years, there has been absolute consensus in the information security industry—and I do not mean only vendors, but e.g. CERTs (computer emergency response teams) and government authorities as well—that both a firewall and a virus scanner are indispensable.
As an example, not having a firewall or a virus scanner leaves you very open to zero-day attacks. There are countless worms and other malware that can own a vulnerable system without requiring any user interaction whatsoever.
Early versions of Microsoft® Windows® XP were notorious for the fact that if one installed it with the computer hooked to a network, a worm would usually take over the computer even before the installation sequence had finished.
Please also remember that not noticing any problems does not mean that you are safe. In countless cases, users of computers that have been owned by malware for an unknown period of time are alerted to the problem only after an abuse report by a third party causes the ISP to contact the user.
In the 21st century, common sense mandates using both a virus scanner and a firewall. For one of many independent references, please see the US-CERT web site.
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| | | | Αlban SHPΑTΑ
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| Antivirus: A MUST | Jul 5, 2008 |
Ivana Friis Wilson wrote:
I have no antivirus program. I use the spam filter in my gmail. I don't even have a firewall. I have never had any problems.
Just be careful. Don't open mail that looks suspicious. Don't open any attachments that you haven't agreed to receive. Don't download stuff from suspicious sources.
Use your common sense and you don't need either programs.
I remember my older PC four years ago had no antivirus and I thought I had no problems with viruses, prudent as I was. Then everything changed when I installed Kaspersky.
I still remember the number: 425 viruses!!!!!!
I think a surprise number awaits you too after you decide to install an antivirus.
[Edited at 2008-07-05 11:32]
| | | | Ivana Søndergaard
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Feeling a little bit intimidated by your comments, I just performed a virus scan - nothing.
| | | | JPW (X)
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| Which program did you use? | Jul 5, 2008 |
Ivana wrote:
You win
Feeling a little bit intimidated by your comments, I just performed a virus scan - nothing.
I would run a couple of different programs just to make sure. As posted earlier, some of the so-called big names in the A-V industry simply do not do what it says on the tin. I've had this situation myself, so I know.
No system is foolproof. And if you do online banking and such on your PC, then having your system properly protected is an absolute must.
Please also remember that not noticing any problems does not mean that you are safe. In countless cases, users of computers that have been owned by malware for an unknown period of time are alerted to the problem only after an abuse report by a third party causes the ISP to contact the user.
Wise words from Thor.
Bye, JP.
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| No one can rely on luck forever | Jul 5, 2008 |
Ivana Friis Wilson wrote:
Feeling a little bit intimidated by your comments, I just performed a virus scan - nothing.
It is quite possible that you have been lucky enough to avoid any malware. This, however, cannot been extrapolated to cover other users, or even your own tomorrow.
Also, please note that malware very often is designed to thwart virus scanners. In other words, if malware is already running, a virus scan might not find it. It is therefore crucial to install resident antivirus software on a new system from the very beginning, before any compromise has been possible, and to have the product running continuously. A few seconds of unprotected network connectivity can suffice to cause compromise, as thousands of cracked computers scan the Internet for new victims, non-stop.
Even starting the resident scanner manually after login is too late. A good product therefore installs itself as a layered service provider within the Internet Protocol stack—just as malware does if it gets the opportunity first.
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| | | | Andrea Riffo
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| I remember this... | Jul 5, 2008 |
Thor Kottelin wrote:
Early versions of Microsoft® Windows® XP were notorious for the fact that if one installed it with the computer hooked to a network, a worm would usually take over the computer even before the installation sequence had finished.
Back in 2003 I bought a new PC with Windows XP. I connected it to the Internet and not a minute had passed (I'm not exaggerating) when a window popped up with the dreaded message that my pc would restart in 60 seconds.
It happened over and over again and it took me about 12 hours to download the patches for the infamous WormBlaster (do you remember that #$#@& worm??) that wreaked havoc those months, install the antivirus and clean the system... because my PC blocked and restarted on its own before I could complete the required downloads.
Never again have I connected a computer to a modem before installing an antivirus software.
Greetings
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| | | | Ivana Søndergaard
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| I used Kapovsky | Jul 5, 2008 |
- as recommended in this thread.
It's a bit odd, but I have never encountered so many virus stories as in this thread! I don't think I know of any of my friends, my family, colleagues etc that having ever had any viruses as far as I remember.
My husband and I both use computers for work all day and we have never had any problems. We have both used online computers since 1996 - that's more than 12 years with no viruses. We have used both Windows, Mac and Linux. We have ... See more - as recommended in this thread.
It's a bit odd, but I have never encountered so many virus stories as in this thread! I don't think I know of any of my friends, my family, colleagues etc that having ever had any viruses as far as I remember.
My husband and I both use computers for work all day and we have never had any problems. We have both used online computers since 1996 - that's more than 12 years with no viruses. We have used both Windows, Mac and Linux. We have used anti virus programs from time to time, even paid for them, but never found any viruses with these programs.
Anyway, I am not going to do another virus scan, and I am not going to pursue the matter further. I appreciate your concern and advice but I sincerely think I am being a responsible internet user. ▲ Collapse
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