Glossary entry (derived from question below)
français term or phrase:
fesse de jambon
anglais translation:
leg of ham
Added to glossary by
Silvia Brandon-Pérez
Nov 28, 2007 15:06
17 yrs ago
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français term
fesse de jambon
français vers anglais
Autre
Cuisine / culinaire
brunch menu
Fesse de jambon tranchée en salle
I put leg of ham but I'm not sure it is correct.
North American target audience
I put leg of ham but I'm not sure it is correct.
North American target audience
Proposed translations
(anglais)
| 4 +5 | leg of ham |
Silvia Brandon-Pérez
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| 3 +6 | haunch of ham |
mistahara (X)
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| 3 +1 | FYI |
Melzie
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| 4 | butt ham |
NancyLynn
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| 3 | leg ham or ham on/off the bone |
Melissa McMahon
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Change log
Jul 25, 2008 01:40: Silvia Brandon-Pérez changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/61173">PB Trans's</a> old entry - "fesse de jambon"" to ""leg of ham""
Proposed translations
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29 minutes
Silvia Brandon-Pérez
États-Unis
États-Unis
Native in anglais
Works in field
États-Unis
Precise and on time; lawyer/writer.
Native in: anglais 
, espagnol
Works in: anglais vers espagnol, espagnol vers anglais, français vers anglais, and 7 more.
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leg of ham
More common for a N.A. audience. 1.6 million returns on Google.
See:
5 kg Leg of Ham (take off skin and some of the fat and score the top of the ham into diamond shapes) 1 cup dark native bee honey or macadamia nut honey 1 ...
www.abc.net.au/message/tv/ms/s1254846.htm
Baked Ham with Peach Glaze Recipe | Recipezaar - When I lived in Milwaukee we used ... Half leg of ham, (bone-in) 25-30 , Half leg of ham, (boneless) 30-35 ...
www.recipezaar.com/recipe/getrecipe.zsp?id
part of menu; quick and easy; wine pairing; healthy. search within results. go · advanced search | browse. 3 results found for: leg of ham ...
www.epicurious.com/tools/searchresults?search=leg of ham
See:
5 kg Leg of Ham (take off skin and some of the fat and score the top of the ham into diamond shapes) 1 cup dark native bee honey or macadamia nut honey 1 ...
www.abc.net.au/message/tv/ms/s1254846.htm
Baked Ham with Peach Glaze Recipe | Recipezaar - When I lived in Milwaukee we used ... Half leg of ham, (bone-in) 25-30 , Half leg of ham, (boneless) 30-35 ...
www.recipezaar.com/recipe/getrecipe.zsp?id
part of menu; quick and easy; wine pairing; healthy. search within results. go · advanced search | browse. 3 results found for: leg of ham ...
www.epicurious.com/tools/searchresults?search=leg of ham
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all for your input."
+6
7 minutes
haunch of ham
Peer comment(s):
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Etienne Muylle Wallace
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Thank you!
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Victoria Porter-Burns
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Thanks, Victoria!
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Sara Mullin
: it could also be "pork buttock", but I think a haunch of ham sounds nicer
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Thank you!
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Catherine CHAUVIN
: Ok with your version and Sara's one too.
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Thank you!
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Assimina Vavoula
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Thank you!
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Claire Cox
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Thank you, Claire!
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emiledgar
: In N.A. leg of ham is universal, haunch is practically never used.
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Melissa McMahon
: agree with emile: this is just another way of saying a leg of ham, I think "haunch of ham" would either be confusing or read as pretention
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Melzie
: your refernece is Austrian // haunch is commonly used for venison and game in general, as given in your second ref. not for a pig's hind leg, which is a ham.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/haunch
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FYI
your question has been worrying me so I did some research.
In culinary terms, from a British English point of view, 'ham' IS the seasoned and cooked or smoked thigh of a pig and by extension is used for the thigh of any animal and even to describe rather beefy human thighs;-
Therefore adding leg, or anything else, would be tautology.
However, in butchery terms fesse, at least in CA, is translated as leg/butt.
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/francais/fssa/labeti/mcmancv/por...
I don't think I would use that for a menu in any case.
leg of ham could be misleading.
If I were you I'd cut my losses and use an adjective like prime or succulent.
Remember, people who write menus want the food to sound attractive and sometimes tie themselves into knots to do so. A lot of the time it's up to us to untie them...
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ham1
from OED shorter: • noun 1 meat from the upper part of a pig’s leg salted and dried or smoked. 2 (hams) the back of the thigh or the thighs and buttocks. — ORIGIN from a Germanic word meaning ‘be crooked’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham
webster's on line: Ham
Definition: Ham
Ham
Noun
1. Thigh of a hog (usually smoked).
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the only -mistaken - reason I can see for someone wanting to add 'fesse' to it is to underline that it is the nice tasty rounded fleshy part that they are serving rather than the end, hence my suggesstion of suuculent
In culinary terms, from a British English point of view, 'ham' IS the seasoned and cooked or smoked thigh of a pig and by extension is used for the thigh of any animal and even to describe rather beefy human thighs;-
Therefore adding leg, or anything else, would be tautology.
However, in butchery terms fesse, at least in CA, is translated as leg/butt.
http://www.inspection.gc.ca/francais/fssa/labeti/mcmancv/por...
I don't think I would use that for a menu in any case.
leg of ham could be misleading.
If I were you I'd cut my losses and use an adjective like prime or succulent.
Remember, people who write menus want the food to sound attractive and sometimes tie themselves into knots to do so. A lot of the time it's up to us to untie them...
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Note added at 20 hrs (2007-11-29 12:05:18 GMT)
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ham1
from OED shorter: • noun 1 meat from the upper part of a pig’s leg salted and dried or smoked. 2 (hams) the back of the thigh or the thighs and buttocks. — ORIGIN from a Germanic word meaning ‘be crooked’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham
webster's on line: Ham
Definition: Ham
Ham
Noun
1. Thigh of a hog (usually smoked).
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the only -mistaken - reason I can see for someone wanting to add 'fesse' to it is to underline that it is the nice tasty rounded fleshy part that they are serving rather than the end, hence my suggesstion of suuculent
Peer comment(s):
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jean-jacques alexandre
: 100% with you as a ham is already the whole enchilada / the leg & the butt
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Thank you, Jean-Jacques.
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Melissa McMahon
: The "butt" end of a leg of ham/pork is called the "croupe". Despite appearances, I've found no evidence that the "fesse" means anything but the (whole) leg. The 'upper' part of the leg only in the sense that it's not the trotter. Re note see above
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the message I am trying to get across is that a ham is a ham is a ham there is no need to add any other words, unless you are a butcher in which case you might like to talk about butt, shank etc. continued above...
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11 heures
Melissa McMahon
Australie
Australie
Native in anglais
Specializes in field
Australie
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leg ham or ham on/off the bone
I agree with silviantonia that by itself, "fesse de jambon" is simply "leg of ham".
As part of the brunch menu item though, I'd say "leg ham" or "ham on (off?) the bone"
"Freshly sliced leg ham"
"Ham sliced fresh off the bone"
Unless these are antipodean expressions only?
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Or indeed "ham leg"
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Actually, if it's on the bone, 'carved' is better than sliced...
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Hi Melzie (ah, that's better with more room!). I disagree that 'leg' is redundant - even though technically all ham is "leg" ham, there are plenty of lesser quality items sold as "ham" ("soccer ham", "picnic shoulder", boneless, spammy type things in cans) and so "leg ham" is often used to stress that "this is the real thing and not those"...
As part of the brunch menu item though, I'd say "leg ham" or "ham on (off?) the bone"
"Freshly sliced leg ham"
"Ham sliced fresh off the bone"
Unless these are antipodean expressions only?
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Note added at 11 hrs (2007-11-29 02:23:38 GMT)
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Or indeed "ham leg"
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Note added at 14 hrs (2007-11-29 05:30:21 GMT)
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Actually, if it's on the bone, 'carved' is better than sliced...
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Hi Melzie (ah, that's better with more room!). I disagree that 'leg' is redundant - even though technically all ham is "leg" ham, there are plenty of lesser quality items sold as "ham" ("soccer ham", "picnic shoulder", boneless, spammy type things in cans) and so "leg ham" is often used to stress that "this is the real thing and not those"...
Peer comment(s):
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Melzie
: Hi Melissa, even though off the bone sounds good, you can't be sure it is unless specifucally stated in the original: "jambon à l'os"
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That's true - it could be a boned leg. Thanks.
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1 jour 3 heures
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