Feb 22, 2012 16:44
13 yrs ago
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français term
potence
français vers anglais
Technique / Génie
Ingénierie : industriel
brass instrument making
l’étirage consiste à mettre au bon diamètre and aux bonnes épaisseurs et longueurs les tubes de coulisses et les potences des instruments
Proposed translations
(anglais)
3 | interchangeable main tuning slide |
Colin Rowe
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5 | Post / Stand / Bracket |
MartinPorto
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3 | Arm (see note) |
MartinPorto
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References
Definition, not translation |
Colin Rowe
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Proposed translations
1 heure
Selected
interchangeable main tuning slide
Not my field, but the following can be found on the Yamaha website:
YTR-9636
Caractéristiques techniques
"potence, 1ère et 3ème coulisses d'accord pour Mib ou Ré"
http://fr.yamaha.com/fr/products/musical-instruments/winds/t...
YTR-9636
Specifications
"Interchangeable main tuning slides and 1st and 3rd valve slides for D"
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/winds/tru...
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-02-22 17:55:40 GMT)
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On the other hand, returning to the simple tube bend theme, I have also found the following:
"OLD ENGLISH INSTRUMENTS OF MUSIC
The advantage which the longer tube gave for the
elaboration of fanfares was not lost sight of by the trum-
peters. The objection which might naturally be urged
against their use was that they were extremely awkward
to carry. So about the year 1300 we hear of " crooked "
horns {cors crogus), and from that period we date the step
which was destined to give the Trumpet its high place in
the realm of music as well as of pageantry. This step
was the folding of the tube by means of a U-shaped
elbow or potence, requiring, it is true, careful workman-ship, but at once securing unlimited length without loss
of portability. It is interesting to find that, as with the
making of a cylindrical tube, so with its folding into a
more compact form, the Romans had been in advance
of mediaeval Europe ; for on the walls of the House of
the Gladiators at Pompeii there is a fresco of the first
century a.d. which shows that a trumpet, very similar
in shape to our modern military instrument, was in use
in classical times."
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/francis-w-francis-will...
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-02-22 18:06:53 GMT)
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Also of potential interest is an article which cannot be accessed in full without a subscription, but which contains the following tantalizing snippet:
The Cornet and Other Brass Instruments in French Patents of the First Half of the Nineteenth Century
"...The internal valve tubing (called potence) is composed of a fixed part and of a mobile part operated by a vertical rod. This internal tubing has ..."
http://www.jstor.org/pss/25163859
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25163859
YTR-9636
Caractéristiques techniques
"potence, 1ère et 3ème coulisses d'accord pour Mib ou Ré"
http://fr.yamaha.com/fr/products/musical-instruments/winds/t...
YTR-9636
Specifications
"Interchangeable main tuning slides and 1st and 3rd valve slides for D"
http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-instruments/winds/tru...
--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2012-02-22 17:55:40 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
On the other hand, returning to the simple tube bend theme, I have also found the following:
"OLD ENGLISH INSTRUMENTS OF MUSIC
The advantage which the longer tube gave for the
elaboration of fanfares was not lost sight of by the trum-
peters. The objection which might naturally be urged
against their use was that they were extremely awkward
to carry. So about the year 1300 we hear of " crooked "
horns {cors crogus), and from that period we date the step
which was destined to give the Trumpet its high place in
the realm of music as well as of pageantry. This step
was the folding of the tube by means of a U-shaped
elbow or potence, requiring, it is true, careful workman-ship, but at once securing unlimited length without loss
of portability. It is interesting to find that, as with the
making of a cylindrical tube, so with its folding into a
more compact form, the Romans had been in advance
of mediaeval Europe ; for on the walls of the House of
the Gladiators at Pompeii there is a fresco of the first
century a.d. which shows that a trumpet, very similar
in shape to our modern military instrument, was in use
in classical times."
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/francis-w-francis-will...
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Note added at 1 hr (2012-02-22 18:06:53 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------
Also of potential interest is an article which cannot be accessed in full without a subscription, but which contains the following tantalizing snippet:
The Cornet and Other Brass Instruments in French Patents of the First Half of the Nineteenth Century
"...The internal valve tubing (called potence) is composed of a fixed part and of a mobile part operated by a vertical rod. This internal tubing has ..."
http://www.jstor.org/pss/25163859
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25163859
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
14 minutes
Post / Stand / Bracket
Routledge Technical CD
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Note added at 29 mins (2012-02-22 17:13:48 GMT)
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Could that mean a bracket of some sort?
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Note added at 29 mins (2012-02-22 17:13:48 GMT)
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Could that mean a bracket of some sort?
Note from asker:
Hi Martin, I'm not sure any of these things are found on a trumpet |
32 minutes
Arm (see note)
The Routledge Technical also lists ARM under the heading instrument, does not say what type of instrument though!
Note from asker:
there is a brace, but on a trumpet this is (by analogy with the violin) called "âme". By way of more context, making the potence is part of the tube-drawer's job |
Reference comments
49 minutes
Reference:
Definition, not translation
In the "Dictionnaire françois" by Pierre Richelet, 1680(!)
Page 197, 3rd definition of "potence":
"Potence: Terme de Chaudronnier: II se dit en parlant de trompette: Ce sont les bouts des branches de la trompette qui sont formez [sic] en arc. [Potence bien faite.]"
http://books.google.de/books?id=b8dFAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA197&lp...
Page 197, 3rd definition of "potence":
"Potence: Terme de Chaudronnier: II se dit en parlant de trompette: Ce sont les bouts des branches de la trompette qui sont formez [sic] en arc. [Potence bien faite.]"
http://books.google.de/books?id=b8dFAAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA197&lp...
Note from asker:
great ! That took some digging I bet. So its the bends, tout simplement. Put in an answer so I can Kudoz you |
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