titulaire

anglais translation: Incumbent (or simply use Employee)

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Terme ou expression en français :	titulaire
Traduction en anglais :	Incumbent (or simply use Employee)
Entrée par :	Manoj Chauhan

10:40 Oct 26, 2013

traduction français vers anglais [PRO]
Law/Patents - Droit : brevets, marques de commerce, copyright

Terme ou expression en français : titulaire

nom de la demandresse/titulaire....

This is a letter regarding a complaint that has been issued against another company. I understand that there is a complainant (demandresse), but is it correct to translate "titulaire" as holder?

Kirsty Adams (X) Activité KudoZ Questions : 32 (1 ouverte(s)) (1 without valid answers) Réponses : 17 Royaume-Uni
Local time: 05:18

Incumbent (or simply use Employee)

Explication :
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Manoj Chauhan
Inde
Local time: 06:18

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4 +3

owner

AllegroTrans

5 +1

holder/bearer

Alison Billington

title holder

Daryo

4 -2

Incumbent (or simply use Employee)

Manoj Chauhan

Entrées pour la discussion : 10

AllegroTrans

Royaume-Uni

So asker....

11:21 Nov 2, 2013

We now have a glossary entry suggesting that a trademark/intellectual property right can have an "incumbent" or an "emplyee"
Are you SURE? I don't think that Manoj was in the end.....
Maybe you pressed the wrong button?

AllegroTrans

Royaume-Uni

And

14:02 Oct 26, 2013

a good object lesson on the CRUCIAL importance of context. Rarely is it possible to accurarately translate a term without seeing its surrounding text and/or an appraisal of its context. Otherwise we would all be redundant and machines would be translating everything...

writeaway

Thanks.

13:37 Oct 26, 2013

Problem now easily resolved. Context is always vital.

Daryo

Royaume-Uni

13:33 Oct 26, 2013

finally starts making sense: "la demandresse" is at the same time "titulaire de la marque" (the trademank that's being endangered by a new trademark of a similar name) not "titulaire des observations" the plaintiff is also holding the title to the trademark.

AllegroTrans

Royaume-Uni

Thank you

13:31 Oct 26, 2013

That is the context we needed from the start!

Kirsty Adams (X)

Royaume-Uni

ASKER

13:21 Oct 26, 2013

It is with regards to a complaint about a trademark - one company is arguing that another company's trademark request name is too closely linked to theirs. "titulaire" only comes up twice in the letter. once here:

Notification à la demanderesse/titulaire des observations de l'opposante (which I suspect should actually read: Notification des observations de l'opposante à la demanderesse/titulaire)

And then below it simply says: Nom de la demanderesse/titulaire

AllegroTrans

Royaume-Uni

titulaire des observations de l'opposante

13:09 Oct 26, 2013

Is that phrase somewhere in your text asker? If so, please paste in all of the text including it.
In any event it might be helpful if you could give us the bones of this letter as we are simply fishing in the dark here. What is the complaint exactly? Faulty goods? Poor service? Non-delivery? Something else?
The context is in the contents of the letter, surely?

Kirsty Adams (X)

Royaume-Uni

ASKER

12:52 Oct 26, 2013

Sorry, it doesn't give me a great deal of context either... titulaire des observations de l'opposante?

writeaway

Agree with AT

11:40 Oct 26, 2013

There isn't enough context to know what they mean by titulaire means here. If you don't want to provide the actual context, then you might as well go with holder.

AllegroTrans

Royaume-Uni

Context

11:11 Oct 26, 2013

Kirsty, the answer depends entirely on the context - "complaint against another company" doesn't really tell us much. "Titulaire" can mean a number of different things...

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38 minutes confiance :

approbation des pairs (net) : -2

Incumbent (or simply use Employee)

Explication :
.

Manoj Chauhan
Inde
Local time: 06:18
Travaille dans le domaine
Langue maternelle : anglais
Points PRO dans la catégorie : 4

Commentaires des pairs sur cette réponse (et réponses des répondeurs)

Désaccord

writeaway: no ref or explanation for good reason. incumbent in this context is very unlikely. In English, incumbent is used for someone who holds (elected) political office. employee is also wrong/as wrong as wrong can get. should have used the disagree for once.

1 minute

Neutre

AllegroTrans: Incumbent is HIGHLY unlikely and we have no way of telling whether employee woukd be correct

52 minutes

Désaccord

SafeTex: Titulare can be 'employee' but it is unlikely here as the asker has said that it is one company against another one. My colleagues are very lenient in just giving this a 'neutral'

56 minutes

Neutre

Jean-Claude Gouin: Thank you for taking the time to give your suggestion. Some people just like to give a 'désaccord' ... It's in their nature ...

8 heures

2 heures confiance :

approbation des pairs (net) : +3

owner

Explication :
Now that we have context, this should mean "owner (i.e. of the trademark being complained about)

Trademark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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History|
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Trademarks are used to claim exclusive properties of products or services. The usage of trademarks by its owner can cause legal issues if this usage makes him guilty ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark - Cached
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AllegroTrans
Royaume-Uni
Local time: 05:18
Travaille dans le domaine
Langue maternelle : anglais
Points PRO dans la catégorie : 35

2 heures confiance :

title holder

Explication :
but there well may be some more appropriate option if you give more context (titulaire de quoi?)...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-10-26 13:33:41 GMT)
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trademark owner

Daryo
Royaume-Uni
Local time: 05:18
Langue maternelle : serbe, français
Points PRO dans la catégorie : 31

Commentaires des pairs sur cette réponse (et réponses des répondeurs)

Neutre

AllegroTrans: you are assuming this person "holds title" to something but we have no idea whether this is the case; could just as easily be "owner" (e.g. owner of the item being complained about)// ya! glad I didn't give you a "disagree"

16 minutes

-> we do know now - holds the (property) title to the trademark that needs to be protected from another trademark of a too similar name – "title holder" wasn't wrong but unnecessarily too general/vague

Neutre

rkillings: Better, "rightsholder", since this is about intellectual property (which is nothing BUT rights).

6 heures

-> yes, with more context "rightsholder" is far more precise that being the holder of some unspecified title to some unspecified rights ...

1 jour 4 heures confiance :

approbation des pairs (net) : +1

holder/bearer

Explication :
This can be used for holder of official documents or certificates.

Alison Billington
Royaume-Uni
Local time: 05:18
Langue maternelle : anglais

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