Glossary entry

français term or phrase:

ondine

anglais translation:

ondine (see discussion)

Added to glossary by Lorraine Dubuc
Dec 4, 2018 05:53
5 yrs ago
français term

ondine

français vers anglais Autre Cuisine / culinaire
This is a set of catering menus for a holiday village operator. The word appears here-&-there when talking about vegetable accompaniments or side-dishes, (eg) " **ondine** de pommes de terre aux amandes" / "**ondine"" de legumes", etc.
I've searched extensively but can't find anything useful on the web.
And my own French friends unfortunately aren't foodies.
Any ideas?
I'd be grateful for any help -- someone out there must know :-)
Many thanks as always :-)
Proposed translations (anglais)
3 +1 ondine
3 +1 water nymph
Change log

Dec 7, 2018 18:24: Lorraine Dubuc changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/606080">Rimas Balsys's</a> old entry - "ondine"" to ""ondine (see discussion)""

Dec 7, 2018 18:27: Lorraine Dubuc changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1842227">Lorraine Dubuc's</a> old entry - "ondine"" to ""ondine (see discussion)""

Discussion

Rimas Balsys (asker) Dec 7, 2018:
@ all [2] After further extensive searching (filtering out Ondine as a blogger's name and a restaurant name) I've found widely varying illustrations ranging from what in EN would be described as "scalloped potatoes/vegetables", "spiral potatoes/vegetables", and what looks like crushed potatoes squeezed into a mould then upended/released and briefly sauteed. So there you are, take your pick, but I'll have to stick with "ondine", unfortunately with no explanation.
Rimas Balsys (asker) Dec 5, 2018:
@ all If I may offer a suggestion for your collective assessment, "scalloped potatoes" and "scalloped vegetables and potatoes" are pretty common dishes where potatoes and/or veg are sliced and casseroled in a cheese, onion & garlic sauce.
Tony M Dec 4, 2018:
@ Asker I can think of 2 possibilities here:

1) cut using the 'scalloped' cutter on my mandoline (as Phil has suggested) — though it seems a bit unlikely they would use this for ALL the vegetables on the plate, and while it could work for hard things like potatoes and root veg, it's hard to see how they could do it with broccoli, green beans, or peas!

2) with the essence of 'ondine' being a water nymph (and cf. poetic use of 'ondes' for 'waters'), I'm donering it if means perhaps 'swimming in water '— or at least, "a bit wet" — cf. the term a 'nage' of various things used in cuisine.
Lorraine Dubuc Dec 4, 2018:
I would keep 'ondine' For whatever it means. It seems to be a word that is used as accessory to embellish the naming of the dish, just like the word 'fantaisie' would. 'fantaisie de légumes, fantaisie de pomme de terre aux amandes' etc. It is a poetical way of inviting the diners to travel through the culinary world. I don't think it means 'crinkle cut' as suggested earlier, but it also could.
Charles Davis Dec 4, 2018:
If anyone doesn't know Ravel's Ondine, the first part of his Gaspard de la Nuit, I urge them to listen to it. Here it is played live by Martha Argerich (at the age of 75!), preceded by Annie Dutoit reading the poem by Aloysius Bertrand on which it is based:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekmVXP-ELGQ

Off topic, I know, but that's what the word Ondine means to me.
ph-b (X) Dec 4, 2018:
A bit more about "ondine", if that's any help. They're referring here to bûche (de Noël) ondine : http://www.pignol.fr/site/images/carte-des-fetes-2017-2018.p... and here they're talking of semelle à bûche ondine, whatever that maybe (but note the wavy patterns, as philgoddard hinted). There's also a recipe for crème ondine here: http://www.association-projet.org/projets/familles/38-recett... and there's even ondine lasagna here: http://www.lesbonsproduitsdumonde.com/e_commerce/ondine-lasa... A bit wavy again. Don't some Italian words end in e in the plural? So again something to do with "waves"? Good luck!
philgoddard Dec 4, 2018:
Scalloped means cut in a wavy pattern :-)
mrrafe Dec 4, 2018:
Marie Guerlain Marie Ondine Guerlain is a perfume heiress who also promotes her cookware designs and food coaching programs. The references in the menu might relate to her cooking style. https://uk.linkedin.com/in/marie-guerlain-579013162 , https://ondine.com/ Ondine also is the name of several distinguished restaurants so the menu might be alluding to them. One is a seafood restaurant, lending credence to Phil's theories.
philgoddard Dec 4, 2018:
Ondine is a variety of potato, but that may be coincidence. I wonder whether it means little waves or ripples. And maybe that means scalloped.

Proposed translations

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ondine

A fancy naming like 'fantaisie' 'fantaisie de légumes' 'ondine de légumes'. I wonder if this is not a name indicating ancient or old vegetables. Tomate ondine seems to be an old variety of tomatoes...
Example sentence:

vegetable ondine

Peer comment(s):

agree Yolanda Broad
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Thank you, Yolanda!
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water nymph

Would it be related to something cooked in water or with fish ?

In any case, I feel the name could be left in Fr. Its use is meant to encourage questions from diners.
Peer comment(s):

agree mrrafe : Good suggestion - leave as is
10 minutes
Thank you
agree Philippe Barré : Etymoligically logical, and quite plausible. But would anyone really want to use "ondine de pommes de terre" to refer to "patates à l'eau"? Poetical, but rather pretentious.
2 heures
Well, what about "délices" d'agneau ? Another pretentious way of naming small things some might not want to eat if they were called by their name🐑
neutral philgoddard : I don't feel this really answers the question. I would normally expect to see either a translation alone, or the French plus a translation.
6 heures
disagree Eliza Hall : I agree with Lorraine Dubuc's discussion comment. It's just a fancy word to embellish the dish, like "fantaisie de légumes." I would leave as ondine.
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