Glossary entry (derived from question below)
français term or phrase:
incident soulevé sans objet
anglais translation:
dismissed the BE: ancillary application / AE: collateral motion / as unmeritorious
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Julia Maitland
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français term
incident soulevé sans objet
français vers anglais
Droit / Brevets
Droit (général)
compensation for injury during road accident
"Par ordonnance de désistement partiel de l’instance rendue, [le tribunal] a déclaré l’incident soulevé sans objet." I was thinking that this might mean something like "the court declared the case resolved". But then the document says in the next line: "[Le tribunal] a renvoyé, pour le surplus, l’affaire et les parties à l’audience de Mise en Etat Parlante... pour les conclusions [des victimes]... so now I'm confused :(
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See second definition of "incident" | AllegroTrans |
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dismissed the BE: ancillary application / AE: collateral motion / as unmeritorious
usually un incident in FRE and an incidente in SPA interrupts the course of trial until adjudicated upon.
quaere: is the 'incident' about reserving the quantum of loss on a split-trial adjournment, so any liability determined first and amount to be coughed up thereafter.
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Note added at 33 mins (2021-06-08 13:45:20 GMT)
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For ancillary, also read : interlocutory point raised..
quaere: is the 'incident' about reserving the quantum of loss on a split-trial adjournment, so any liability determined first and amount to be coughed up thereafter.
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Note added at 33 mins (2021-06-08 13:45:20 GMT)
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For ancillary, also read : interlocutory point raised..
Example sentence:
UK: Split TrialsWhere liability is disputed (i.e. who is to blame for the accident) it will sometimes be ordered by the Court that a trial on the preliminary issue of liability is heard before the value of the case is determined (
IATE: Entry domains: LAW (12) COM fr procédure incidente COM instance incidente COM en collateral proceeding COM
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AllegroTrans
: Makes sense since this seems to be describing a decision, i.e. interlocutory application dismissed and matter to be relisted for directions hearing // yes, any no. of possibilities as to the nature of the application
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Thanks, Chris, for the non-tactical vote. See the first answer. The interloc. app. seems to follow on from the request to reserve the issue of loss vs. costs. The only in-trial incident I know is eg the prisoner jumping over the dock + attacking the judge
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...that the incident raised is not pertinent (or irrelevant)
The Court decided that the incident is irrelevant.
For "sans objet, see http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/Resultat.aspx
For "sans objet, see http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/Resultat.aspx
Note from asker:
Sorry I didn't give much context. Thanks for taking the time to answer! |
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AllegroTrans
: Beware: "incident" has a meaning in court speak other than the obvious one
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See FHS Bridge
See FHS Bridge, the Council of Europe French-English Legal Dictionary
incident (noun):
question
point
particular point
interlocutory procedure
application
motion
summons
You will have to consider the wider context, weigh the evidence, and choose between these terms.
Check if the term appears elsewhere in the text, as part of a term, for example "incident d'audience" - incident occuring during the trial.
If not, then your verb in the past tense will have to match the word chosen, e.g.:
question raised
poinit raised
application made
etc.
The dictionary entry online:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=rQAKtn-XjzIC&pg=PA158&lpg=P...
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Note added at 4 days (2021-06-12 14:59:49 GMT)
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Given the extra context, I personally think that "application" is safe and fine.
Unless a lawyer-linguist can provide some extra insight.
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Note added at 5 days (2021-06-13 14:34:16 GMT) Post-grading
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To Julia:
You're welcome!
Yes, the dictionary is great, if a little eccentric!
incident (noun):
question
point
particular point
interlocutory procedure
application
motion
summons
You will have to consider the wider context, weigh the evidence, and choose between these terms.
Check if the term appears elsewhere in the text, as part of a term, for example "incident d'audience" - incident occuring during the trial.
If not, then your verb in the past tense will have to match the word chosen, e.g.:
question raised
poinit raised
application made
etc.
The dictionary entry online:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=rQAKtn-XjzIC&pg=PA158&lpg=P...
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Note added at 4 days (2021-06-12 14:59:49 GMT)
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Given the extra context, I personally think that "application" is safe and fine.
Unless a lawyer-linguist can provide some extra insight.
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Note added at 5 days (2021-06-13 14:34:16 GMT) Post-grading
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To Julia:
You're welcome!
Yes, the dictionary is great, if a little eccentric!
Note from asker:
Thanks again Connor! You've really helped and I'll bookmark the dictionary in case I need it in future! Take care |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
AllegroTrans
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You know what, Chris, depending on who the audience is, the wording matters completely or not at all! Do THEY ever tell us who the audience is? No chance. Jaysus!
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Reference comments
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Reference:
See second definition of "incident"
Utilisé comme substantif un incident est un événement inattendu, comme l'est par exemple le non paiement d'un chèque qui s'est avéré sans provision, ou l'altercation se produisant au tribunal entre deux protagonistes ou entre leurs conseils. On parle dans ce dernier cas, d'un "incident d'audience".
Pris comme adjectif, l'"incident", caractérise tout acte procédural qui est susceptible de modifier le cours normal de l'instance tel qu'un acquiescement, un désistement, une décision de radiation du rôle, ou une décision de sursis à statuer. Notons que l'appel d'un jugement de sursis à statuer ne peut être interjeté qu';après autorisation du premier président. (2e Civ. - 19 novembre 2008, BICC n°699 du 1er avril 2009.)
Incident peut aussi avoir le sens d'accessoire, comme l'est une demande reconventionnelle ou additionnelle ou encore un appel en garantie, sont des "demandes incidentes" se rattachant à une procédure principale.
L'appel principal formé contre un jugement par une des parties peut provoquer de la part de l'autre partie, un " appel incident ". On peut également former un pourvoi incident devant la Cour de cassation.
Textes :
Code de procédure civile, 4, 63 et s., art. 548 et s., 614, 980, 992, 1010.
Bibliographie :
Perrot (R.), Revue Procédures, no 1, janvier 2009, commentaire no 8, p. 15, note sur l'(« Autorisation d'appel ». à propos de 2e Civ. - 19 novembre 2008.
Pris comme adjectif, l'"incident", caractérise tout acte procédural qui est susceptible de modifier le cours normal de l'instance tel qu'un acquiescement, un désistement, une décision de radiation du rôle, ou une décision de sursis à statuer. Notons que l'appel d'un jugement de sursis à statuer ne peut être interjeté qu';après autorisation du premier président. (2e Civ. - 19 novembre 2008, BICC n°699 du 1er avril 2009.)
Incident peut aussi avoir le sens d'accessoire, comme l'est une demande reconventionnelle ou additionnelle ou encore un appel en garantie, sont des "demandes incidentes" se rattachant à une procédure principale.
L'appel principal formé contre un jugement par une des parties peut provoquer de la part de l'autre partie, un " appel incident ". On peut également former un pourvoi incident devant la Cour de cassation.
Textes :
Code de procédure civile, 4, 63 et s., art. 548 et s., 614, 980, 992, 1010.
Bibliographie :
Perrot (R.), Revue Procédures, no 1, janvier 2009, commentaire no 8, p. 15, note sur l'(« Autorisation d'appel ». à propos de 2e Civ. - 19 novembre 2008.
Discussion
Then further along in the text we have "Par ordonnance de désistement partiel de l’instance rendue le 23 avril 2021, [le Tribunal] a constaté le désistement d'instance de la Compagnie YYY, constaté l’acquiescement donné à ce désistement d’instance par la la Compagnie XXX, dit que la Compagnie YYY conservera les frais et dépens de l’instance ainsi éteinte entre elle et la Compagnie XXX, a déclaré l’incident soulevé sans objet, et a renvoyé, pour le surplus, l’affaire et les parties à l’audience de Mise en Etat Parlante... pour les conclusions [des victimes]
Call it an "issue" but still, I think the source of Asker's puzzlement is that a case can continue on remand despite the reviewing court's throwing out part of it. Unremarkable.
It looks like the reviewing court either sent the case back down for further proceedings on other matters with the proviso that one aspect was moot, or sent it back because some allegation that gave rise to the appeal was moot and therefore did not justify dismissing the case without further proceedings..