Jun 25, 2017 08:20
6 yrs ago
français term
il va penser
Non-PRO
français vers anglais
Autre
Général / conversation / salutations / correspondance
Bonjour et bon dimanche, est-ce vous pouvez m'aider à traduire cette construction de phrase?
Il va penser toujours au spectateur, il va penser le parcours de celui-ci.
Donc on parle du passé, de ce que l'artiste projetait de faire.
Contexte: Interview sur Claude Monet et sa salle de Nymphéas au musée de l'Orangerie.
Il va penser donc non seulement le plan au sol, donc ces deux grandes salles ovoides avec ses compositions qui seront marouflées sur les bords, mais il va penser en meme temps à quelque chose de beaucoup plus global, si je puis dire, il va penser toujours au spectateur, il va penser le parcours de celui-ci, donc il va crèer une sorte de vestibule avant, comme si avant de rentrer dans les salles des Nymphéas on devait se delester du monde contemporain dans lequel on est pour… une sorte de sas, un petit peu finalement comme dans des lieux sacrés où on a parfois un pronaos dans le temple, quelque chose qui fait finalement une separation entre le monde des vivants tel qu’il est, le monde normal, contemporain, avec sa vie frenetique, et un espace de calme, de contemplation pour l’art.
Je pensais le traduire au passé, mais avec un "would have made/would have to follow" en référence en parcours, mais je ne suis pas trop sur que ce soit juste:
He did more than just working out a plan – the two big ovoid rooms with his compositions stuck on the walls –, he envisaged doing something much more global, so to speak, he always considered the spectator, the course he would have made/would have to follow, therefore he created a sort of vestibule before, as if before entering the Nympheas rooms ones needs to relieve of the contemporary world in which he lives for… a sort of anteroom, a bit like in sacred places, where there sometimes is a pronaos in the temple, something which acts as a separation between the world of the living as it is – the normal, contemporary world, with its frenetic lifestyle – and a space of calm, for the contemplation of art.
Il va penser toujours au spectateur, il va penser le parcours de celui-ci.
Donc on parle du passé, de ce que l'artiste projetait de faire.
Contexte: Interview sur Claude Monet et sa salle de Nymphéas au musée de l'Orangerie.
Il va penser donc non seulement le plan au sol, donc ces deux grandes salles ovoides avec ses compositions qui seront marouflées sur les bords, mais il va penser en meme temps à quelque chose de beaucoup plus global, si je puis dire, il va penser toujours au spectateur, il va penser le parcours de celui-ci, donc il va crèer une sorte de vestibule avant, comme si avant de rentrer dans les salles des Nymphéas on devait se delester du monde contemporain dans lequel on est pour… une sorte de sas, un petit peu finalement comme dans des lieux sacrés où on a parfois un pronaos dans le temple, quelque chose qui fait finalement une separation entre le monde des vivants tel qu’il est, le monde normal, contemporain, avec sa vie frenetique, et un espace de calme, de contemplation pour l’art.
Je pensais le traduire au passé, mais avec un "would have made/would have to follow" en référence en parcours, mais je ne suis pas trop sur que ce soit juste:
He did more than just working out a plan – the two big ovoid rooms with his compositions stuck on the walls –, he envisaged doing something much more global, so to speak, he always considered the spectator, the course he would have made/would have to follow, therefore he created a sort of vestibule before, as if before entering the Nympheas rooms ones needs to relieve of the contemporary world in which he lives for… a sort of anteroom, a bit like in sacred places, where there sometimes is a pronaos in the temple, something which acts as a separation between the world of the living as it is – the normal, contemporary world, with its frenetic lifestyle – and a space of calm, for the contemplation of art.
Proposed translations
(anglais)
Proposed translations
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3 heures
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in anglais
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: anglais 
Works in: français vers anglais
Related KudoZ points
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119
Selected
to have in mind, to bear in mind, to have a (clear) idea of, to (never) lose sight of
In this instance, the repetition of « il va + infinitive » almost creates a crescendo effect, or is at least emphatic. Depending on your reading of the original and your particular style, you might not need to feel bound by a need to repeat. You can use different expressions. Indeed the repetition here is not so much with “il va penser” as it is really with “il va + INF”.
The reference is past and the use of the present construction with “aller + infinitive” sets you at a particular point in the past from which you will look ahead to what was to happen. It is not predictive. It is still descriptive, but it makes the text more intimate, brings you closer to the what was going on, particularly here as the writer is seeking to draw the reader closer to the thought processes going on. In English the simple past is the best option here.
« Il va penser toujours au spectateur, il va penser le parcours de celui-ci. »
Suggestion : the expression « to have in mind ».
He always had the spectator in mind and bore in mind where he was going (or where he wanted to take it/go/; or something with the direction/track/path, etc.).
« Il va penser donc non seulement le plan au sol, donc ces deux grandes salles ovoïdes avec ses compositions qui seront marouflées sur les bords, mais il va penser en même temps à quelque chose de beaucoup plus global,… »
« Not only did he have a very clear idea of the layout…., he also never lost sight of something much more…”
The reference is past and the use of the present construction with “aller + infinitive” sets you at a particular point in the past from which you will look ahead to what was to happen. It is not predictive. It is still descriptive, but it makes the text more intimate, brings you closer to the what was going on, particularly here as the writer is seeking to draw the reader closer to the thought processes going on. In English the simple past is the best option here.
« Il va penser toujours au spectateur, il va penser le parcours de celui-ci. »
Suggestion : the expression « to have in mind ».
He always had the spectator in mind and bore in mind where he was going (or where he wanted to take it/go/; or something with the direction/track/path, etc.).
« Il va penser donc non seulement le plan au sol, donc ces deux grandes salles ovoïdes avec ses compositions qui seront marouflées sur les bords, mais il va penser en même temps à quelque chose de beaucoup plus global,… »
« Not only did he have a very clear idea of the layout…., he also never lost sight of something much more…”
Note from asker:
| Great, thank you! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
B D Finch
: There's also a case for translating it differently when it occurs with the preposition "à" and when it doesn't.
7 heures
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Absolutely Barbara.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
25 minutes
TimothyLango
Kenya
Kenya
Native in anglais
Kenya
Service Excellence
Native in: anglais , swahili (Variant: Kenyan) 
Works in: français vers anglais, anglais vers français, anglais vers swahili, and 1 more.
he is going to think about
Penser means to think in English, so Il va penser means he is always going to think about the spectator...
Also on the 5th line of your translation, you should use ONE instead of ONES, remove the s.
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Note added at 48 mins (2017-06-25 09:09:47 GMT)
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Grifone, one is allowed to use the present tense, near future or future tense even if the story is of 100 years ago, depending on the meaning you want to put across. For example, if you have read the Bible written a long time a go ,you,d note the different tenses of time being used.
Also on the 5th line of your translation, you should use ONE instead of ONES, remove the s.
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Note added at 48 mins (2017-06-25 09:09:47 GMT)
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Grifone, one is allowed to use the present tense, near future or future tense even if the story is of 100 years ago, depending on the meaning you want to put across. For example, if you have read the Bible written a long time a go ,you,d note the different tenses of time being used.
Note from asker:
| Oh yes sure, thank you. So you would translate it in a present tense even if we're talking about one hundred years ago? |
| Ok, thanks again. |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
writeaway
: I am not 100% confident that think about is the correct translation. Naturally penser means to think. It's even the same in Italian: pensare
17 minutes
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| neutral |
B D Finch
: The choice of tense doesn't work here. The Bible isn't relevant to the context and register; Biblical language is best avoided here!
11 heures
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1 heure
focus on
I feel it suits all the different sentences, though of course "penser" means "to think", in this case there's a nuance about giving particular attention to something
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-06-25 09:43:14 GMT)
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he's going to focus / he must focus on..... of course
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Note added at 1 hr (2017-06-25 09:43:14 GMT)
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he's going to focus / he must focus on..... of course
+1
1 heure
AllegroTrans
Royaume-Uni
Royaume-Uni
Native in anglais
Specializes in field
Royaume-Uni
Sensible solutions
Native in: anglais (Variant: Wessexois)
Works in: français vers anglais, anglais, anglais vers français
Related KudoZ points
:
115
he is going to reflect on
Another possibility
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
writeaway
: or he reflected on/was. I also think it has to be in the sense of réfléchir. there is no preposition after penser. I have the impression this is some sort of homework assignment
43 minutes
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thank you
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2 heures
Barbara Cochran, MFA
États-Unis
États-Unis
Native in anglais
Specializes in field
États-Unis
Laudable Lady Linguist
Native in: anglais
Works in: espagnol vers anglais, français vers anglais, anglais vers espagnol, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
16
he is going to meditate on
Une autre option.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
B D Finch
: I think that's over-translation.
9 heures
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No it isn't. "Meditate" is often used generically.
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+2
3 heures
he considered/thought about
I would use past tense -
"He didn't only consider the floor plan, in other words these two large oval rooms... he also considered something much more holistic... he always thought about the spectator, he considered the spectator's journey/path/trajectory"
"He didn't only consider the floor plan, in other words these two large oval rooms... he also considered something much more holistic... he always thought about the spectator, he considered the spectator's journey/path/trajectory"
Note from asker:
| I like it! thanks a lot. |
Discussion
Melissa is right: use of the present to narrate past events is vastly more common in French than in English. In fact I would say that it is stylistically poor in English in virtually all circumstances.
As for the verb, there are many one could use, but I see nothing wrong with "think".