enceinte des risques

anglais translation: within the insured premises

ENTRÉE DU GLOSSAIRE (VENANT DE LA QUESTION CI-DESSOUS)
Terme ou expression en français :dans l\'enceinte des risques
Traduction en anglais :within the insured premises
Entrée par  : Susan McDonald

07:29 Jun 23, 2019
traduction français vers anglais [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Assurances
Terme ou expression en français : enceinte des risques
I am translating a big insurance policy for a manufacturer of energy management and automation equipment. I am a bit stuck on this term, which appears just once in the document, under the "Biens assurés" section:

"Les biens assurés peuvent se trouver dans les établissements assurés, sur chantier, dans ** l’enceinte des risques ** et à leurs abords immédiats, chez des fabricants, fournisseurs, façonniers, sous-traitants, dépositaires, entrepositaires, hébergeurs, et tout tiers en général, en flottant, dans des foires, expositions, partout où besoin sera dans la limite territoriale de la police."

Does it mean premises that are at risk? I just cannot seem to get my hear round the meaning of this term at all! Your insights, as ever, would be gratefully received.
Susan McDonald
France
Local time: 20:40
within the insured premises
Explication :

I agree with your "premises".

Enceinte:
dans l'enceinte de cet établissement
: within ou in(side) this establishment (R&C)

Premises:
(1) In a property insurance policy, the location where coverage applies. Usually described in the policy with a legal address. (2) Building or land occupied or owned by an insured.
https://www.irmi.com/term/insurance-definitions/premises

For instance:
Fire safety guidance for existing premises with sleeping accommodation
https://beta.gov.scot/publications/practical-fire...premises... - Traduire cette page
13 juin 2018 - An assessment should be made of those persons at risk if a fire occurs within or in the immediate vicinity of the premises.

Incidentally, "immediate vicinity" would be a good translation for leurs abords immédiats in your question.

I also came across "precinct" in one of my paper dictionaries:
appareil se trouvant dans l'enceinte des risques
>
"device within the precinct of the risks"

I'm not including it in my answer as I'm not sure at all but thought I'd mention it.





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Note added at 8 hrs (2019-06-23 15:38:36 GMT)
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Further to Daryo's comments,

It is clear that risques refers to risks that are insured.

I would definitely not ignore the fact that the word risque is used. Insurers don't use that word lightly and it simply cannot disappear from the translation. Nor can you ignore the reason why it's there.

A risk is insured or is excluded. The context clearly shows that these risks are included, i.e. "insured" when the time comes to draft the policy. We've just had "établissements assurés" and "risques" is preceded by the definite article, which... defines them for insurance purposes, and not by an indefinite article ("risks, whatever they are") which no insurer could accept.

I realise that translators feel more comfortable when all the words they expect are there, but experience of these insurance texts is useful too when things are not clear.


Cf. these ex. from similar contexts.

conventions speciales - L'Auxiliaire, assurance BTP
https://www.auxiliaire.fr/sites/default/files/document_pdf/a...
une cheminée par un conduit de fumée, et d'autre part, se trouve dans l'enceinte des risques spécifiés dans la police. 5.2 - EXCLUSIONS. Ne sont pas couverts, ...

[PDF]Untitled
www.mairie-millery.fr/.../5_cahier_des_charges_assurance_mu...
Le terme de contenu concerne l'ensemble des biens fixes ou mobiles se trouvant dans l'enceinte des risques assurés et composant le matériel (notamment le ...

[PDF]CCTP - Aix-en-Provence
www.aixenprovencetourism.com/wp.../mp2017-assurances-omtaix...
dans l'enceinte des risques assurés et composant le matériel (notamment le matériel informatique, multimédia, technique et bureautique), le mobilier, les ...

[PDF]Conventions Spéciales - Mithras Underwriting Limited-BDB Ltd-Lloyds ...
https://www.mithrasltd.co.uk/uploads/CONDITIONS_SPECIALES.PD...
fumée et, d'autre part, se trouve dans l'enceinte des risques spécifiés dans la police. 3.08 CHOC D'UN VEHICULE TERRESTRE. L'Assureur garantit les ...

[PDF]l'assurance multirisque immeuble - Galian
https://www.galian.fr/sites/GALIAN/files/uploads/.../coproli...
Les arbres et les plantations plantés dans l'enceinte des risques assurés et appartenant à l'Assuré. La garantie s'applique au remboursement des frais de ...
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Ph_B (X)
France
Local time: 20:40
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Thanks so much for this - it really helped my thinking on this. And thanks to all those who took the time to agree, as well!
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within the insured premises


Explication :

I agree with your "premises".

Enceinte:
dans l'enceinte de cet établissement
: within ou in(side) this establishment (R&C)

Premises:
(1) In a property insurance policy, the location where coverage applies. Usually described in the policy with a legal address. (2) Building or land occupied or owned by an insured.
https://www.irmi.com/term/insurance-definitions/premises

For instance:
Fire safety guidance for existing premises with sleeping accommodation
https://beta.gov.scot/publications/practical-fire...premises... - Traduire cette page
13 juin 2018 - An assessment should be made of those persons at risk if a fire occurs within or in the immediate vicinity of the premises.

Incidentally, "immediate vicinity" would be a good translation for leurs abords immédiats in your question.

I also came across "precinct" in one of my paper dictionaries:
appareil se trouvant dans l'enceinte des risques
>
"device within the precinct of the risks"

I'm not including it in my answer as I'm not sure at all but thought I'd mention it.





--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2019-06-23 15:38:36 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Further to Daryo's comments,

It is clear that risques refers to risks that are insured.

I would definitely not ignore the fact that the word risque is used. Insurers don't use that word lightly and it simply cannot disappear from the translation. Nor can you ignore the reason why it's there.

A risk is insured or is excluded. The context clearly shows that these risks are included, i.e. "insured" when the time comes to draft the policy. We've just had "établissements assurés" and "risques" is preceded by the definite article, which... defines them for insurance purposes, and not by an indefinite article ("risks, whatever they are") which no insurer could accept.

I realise that translators feel more comfortable when all the words they expect are there, but experience of these insurance texts is useful too when things are not clear.


Cf. these ex. from similar contexts.

conventions speciales - L'Auxiliaire, assurance BTP
https://www.auxiliaire.fr/sites/default/files/document_pdf/a...
une cheminée par un conduit de fumée, et d'autre part, se trouve dans l'enceinte des risques spécifiés dans la police. 5.2 - EXCLUSIONS. Ne sont pas couverts, ...

[PDF]Untitled
www.mairie-millery.fr/.../5_cahier_des_charges_assurance_mu...
Le terme de contenu concerne l'ensemble des biens fixes ou mobiles se trouvant dans l'enceinte des risques assurés et composant le matériel (notamment le ...

[PDF]CCTP - Aix-en-Provence
www.aixenprovencetourism.com/wp.../mp2017-assurances-omtaix...
dans l'enceinte des risques assurés et composant le matériel (notamment le matériel informatique, multimédia, technique et bureautique), le mobilier, les ...

[PDF]Conventions Spéciales - Mithras Underwriting Limited-BDB Ltd-Lloyds ...
https://www.mithrasltd.co.uk/uploads/CONDITIONS_SPECIALES.PD...
fumée et, d'autre part, se trouve dans l'enceinte des risques spécifiés dans la police. 3.08 CHOC D'UN VEHICULE TERRESTRE. L'Assureur garantit les ...

[PDF]l'assurance multirisque immeuble - Galian
https://www.galian.fr/sites/GALIAN/files/uploads/.../coproli...
Les arbres et les plantations plantés dans l'enceinte des risques assurés et appartenant à l'Assuré. La garantie s'applique au remboursement des frais de ...

Ph_B (X)
France
Local time: 20:40
Spécialisé dans le domaine
Langue maternelle : français
Points PRO dans la catégorie : 28
Grading comment
Thanks so much for this - it really helped my thinking on this. And thanks to all those who took the time to agree, as well!

Commentaires des pairs sur cette réponse (et réponses des répondeurs)
Accord  Adrian MM.: alas, most g/hits turn around the phrase to 'expectant mother' risques d'enceinte.
13 minutes
  -> Thanks, another kind of risque, n'en déplaise à notre ami(e) Daryo.

Accord  Daryo
4 heures

Accord  AllegroTrans
1 jour 2 heures

Accord  Eliza Hall: And I disagree with Daryo. The original text is about "the insured goods"; this bit of text is about the location of said goods, namely, "within the X premises" (X could be "insured" or "covered").
1 jour 4 heures
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