Nederlands term
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Native in: Engels (Variants: Scottish, US South, British, UK, Irish, South African, US, Australian, Indian, Canadian, New Zealand) 
Works in: Nederlands naar Engels, Vlaams naar Engels, Afrikaans naar Engels, and 3 more.
plat
"Playa d'en Bossa is bezaaid met allerlei barren en restaurants variërend van hip tot plat. ...Ben je wel opzoek naar een feestje overdag? Dan moet je naar Bora Bora bar (wel plat) , deze ligt ongeveer in het midden van het strand."
Source: http://www.huishurenibiza.nl/op-ibiza/stranden/playa-den-bos...
Bora Bora bar is anything but country, plain, flat, boring, gross, vulgar, or closed / shut-down, or dead... so, I'm not getting their drift on this one. Can't tell if they are being pejorative, either, given that they apparently are trying to appeal to those looking for peace and quiet, without a host of distraction from overrun beach bars pumping out decibel upon decibel of house music.
My only guess, in light of that, is "overrun" (i.e. running over something, thereby "flattening" it), which would reflect how crowded this beach bar is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfBqLGEPR8I
Any ideas?
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philgoddard
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| 4 | not so sophisticated/racy |
Natasha Ziada (X)
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Proposed translations
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Native in: Engels
Works in: Duits naar Engels, Frans naar Engels, Spaans naar Engels, and 4 more.
dive
Dive is used just as often as a compliment as an insult. My reference is a list of dives in my home town. I've been to several of them, and they're just laid-back, cheap, down-home, friendly and unpretentious.
If you needed to make it clear that this bar is being recommended rather than warned against, you could say "a dive, in the best possible sense of the word".
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And it's obviously not pejorative in this context, because they're telling you to go there.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2013-07-26 15:02:39 GMT)
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Dive
1. A ghettoified hole in the wall bar where the poor and downtrodden alcoholics of America go to drink discounted mini-pitchers and listen to tired David Alan Coe songs.
2. A run-down, cheap, unclean restaurant or hotel.
That McDonalds is such a dive!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dive
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Natasha Ziada (X)
: Not sure how well 'dive' works in combination with Ibiza, clubs and scantily-clad dancers. Reminds me more of local, dark, cosy, whisky/beer drinking bar-fly kind of pubs :)
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not so sophisticated/racy
In the first instance (van hip tot plat), where the author is placing bars on a scale from (hip to plat) I would suggest something along these lines: (from sophisticated/fancy/hip to much less so) to retain the comparative value.
In the second instance (wel plat) I would go for a description: (a bit on the racy side) or (for those who don't mind a bit of noise and raciness)
Discussion
All the same, the text says 'in the daytime'.
rowdy
n. pl. rowdies
A rough, disorderly person.
adj.
Disorderly; rough: rowdy teenagers; a rowdy beer party.
Please note the source doesn't say 'all day', but 'during the day/in the daytime'
e.g. If you are looking to party all day, then Bora Bora bar is the place to be (admittedly rather rowdy)...
I think Natasha's suggestion also works quite well, although I personally wouldn't use racy here, unless the Dutch "plat" also implies that you are likely to see some risqué activity taking place?
@Phil: Ah, we all have fond memories of certain "dives" :) I'm not quite sure I would ever use the word when recommending a place though, especially not as a standalone adjective (maybe if you were to say "a bit of a dive"...). I would generally only use dive to describe a place that I used to go and not somewhere I would want to go now...
Ben je wel op zoek naar een feestje overdag? --> you do look for house music? --> go to Bora Bora bar
if you want to go out of your mind, go there
'wel plat'
I also see this as a negative qualification and something of a warning, all the more so because it is followed by:
WIJ kunnen ZELF (more our cup of tea than this 'platte vermaak' in the Bora Bora bar) club Nassau aanraden
in fact they dissociate themselves from the house scene and say if I were you I would go for club Nassau: Een prima strandtent, met goede cocktails, ligbedden en muziek.
so I agree with 'plat vermaak' and I do think 'plat' is negative qualification but this negative qualification is expressed rather neutrally without a distinct condemning tone
I think 'rough' might be an option here
(wel plat) - (rough though)
Also, when used about a bar, calling it plat/a dive/whatever can be a recommendation. That is, they are telling their customers where to go if they want to have a good time, albeit among the common people, as it were;)
'Vreugenhil ridiculiseert het platte vermaak op een intelligente manier, maar ook hier is dans eerder bijverschijnsel dan volwaardige partner.'
'Veertien euro voor een met convenienceproducten bestrooid deegwiel is geen uitzondering en het is dan ook geen wonder dat een groeiend aantal gebruikers het platte vermaak liever opvist uit de diepvries van de supermarkt dan de pizzakoerier te ontbieden of de benen onder de tafel van de pizzeria te steken.'
'Nu zegt hij het platte vermaak binnen het televisieaanbod méér dan beu te zijn. ‘Ik heb niets tegen plat vermaak. Ik schaam me ook niet voor het feit dat ik ooit het Rad van fortuin, Prijzenslag of Goede tijden, slechte tijden in Nederland heb geïntroduceerd. Maar ik vind de vorm die het platte vermaak in Nederland momenteel heeft aangenomen wel héél erg ver gaan.'
'Frears gebruikt met opzet de mechanismen van het platte vermaak om een boodschap te vertellen.'
'Rond 1713 werd de rustige provinciestad Utrecht plotseling overspoeld door de Europese elite, die hier na een lange oorlog kwam onderhandelen over vrede. Tijdens de tentoonstelling Hoge pruiken, plat vermaak zie je hoe de Utrechters deze invasie van buitenlandse diplomaten en hun gevolg in goede banen probeerden te leiden én er een graantje van meepikten. Maak een koetsrit door het Utrecht van 1713, beleef de feesten en schandalen en bekijk hoe de stad eruit zag in deze bijzondere tijd.'
'Aan het einde van het strand (aan de andere kant van Ibiza stad) is wat rustiger en kalmer, er zijn wat minder mensen hier en een stuk minder house muziek. (However) Ben je wel opzoek naar een feestje overdag? Dan moet je naar Bora Bora bar (wel plat) , deze ligt ongeveer in het midden van het strand.'
Since they say:
Ben je wel opzoek naar een feestje overdag? Dan moet je naar Bora Bora bar (wel plat).
I think they are referring to the fact that it is a bit (WARNING, string of synonyms follows):
vulgar, quotidian, unsophisticated, plebeian, barbarian, barbaric, boorish, churlish, coarse, crass, crude, gross, ill-bred, indelicate, philistine, rough, rude, tasteless, uncivilized, uncouth, uncultivated, uncultured, unpolished, unrefined, for the hoi polloi, common, for the common people, chavy...
Michael
It does seem to me to be slightly pejorative, but more so in comparison to the other 'hip' bars on the beach that perhaps don't have the loud house music.