Docteur de troisième cycle

English translation: Docteur, (Ph.D)

11:17 Aug 4, 2021

French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy / Higher education award (France)

French term or phrase: Docteur de troisième cycle

My attempt is simply "doctor" but I am uncertain
The document I am translating is an award of a diploma "Doctorat de troisième cycle"
The institute concerned does not seem to have a website with its awards described in English

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Local time: 16:58

English translation:Docteur, (Ph.D)

Explanation:
All doctoral degrees are, by their very nature, in the 3e cycle.
By tradition, the title is usually retained in the native language however, it is becoming increasingly common to use Ph.D.

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CQFD. ;-)

https://www.univ-nantes.fr/etudier-se-former/decouvrir-nos-f...

"Le LMD permet :
- un découpage des études en 3 étapes: la validation de chaque niveau d'études entraîne l'acquisition des crédits européens ECTS ( European Credit Transfer System) correspondants.
La licence correspond à l'obtention de 180 crédits ECTS
Le master correspond à 120 crédits ECTS après la licence et requière la maîtrise d'une langue étrangère. Remplaçant la maîtrise et le troisième cycle (DEA et DESS), ce dernier peut être professionnel ou de recherche, avec des possibilités de passerelle.
Les diplômés d'un master pourront préparer une thèse de doctorat qui correspond à 480 crédits soit 180 supplémentaires après le master."

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So in a translation into French, I would not add any translation of "troisième cycle", except maybe "doctoral degree".

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This should have been just a reference post in fact. Sorry!

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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 17:58

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I kept the French term, many thanks Nikki
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4 +3

Doctor of X

Conor McAuley

5 +1

Docteur, (Ph.D)

Nikki Scott-Despaigne

PhD

Nicolas Gambardella

Tertiary-Level Qualified / Tertiary-Grade / Doctor

Adrian MM.

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fwiw/hth

writeaway

Discussion entries: 2

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12 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Doctor of X

Explanation:
Doctorate

Depending on exact context, one of the above.

Even Doctor will do in some situations.

The European system is split into three cycles, I forget the exact wording used, but it's Bachelor's (three years)-Master's (five years)-Doctorate (six years).

https://ehea.info/page-three-cycle-system

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(That's three, five and six in total. In other words 3 + 2 + 1 = 6. The link explains it far better than I can!)

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My judgement is that "third-cycle" would be largely redundant (as in "Third-cycle Doctor"), a bit like saying "cold ice", but of course you can include it if you wish.

Compare with:

Second-cycle Bachelor's Degree
Third-cycle Master's Degree

Just doesn't sound right, not used.

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To Chris: Jaysus Chris, don't let that one out of the bag, Conchuir is bad enough!

(I'm sure my French functionary friends would "love" it if I availed myself of my right to call myself Conchuir MacAmhlaoibh! I could demand that respect for my human rights demands the use of the relevant fada too (only one, unfortunately)).

Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 17:58
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 70

Notes to answerer

Asker: grma Concobhar

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Docteur, (Ph.D)

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 17:58
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 148

Grading comment

I kept the French term, many thanks Nikki

2 hrs confidence:

PhD

Explanation:
The Doctor of Philosophy is the exact equivalent to the "docteur de 3e cycle" (by opposition to "docteur d'état", which does not exist any more). The

However, we never say or write "Doctor of Philosophy", whether on a CV or any other document. It is always PhD (or Ph.D. or DPhil, although the latter is much less used.)

Doctorate is too fuzzy since it could also cover, e.g., MD.

Nicolas Gambardella
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:58
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 8

4 days confidence:

Tertiary-Level Qualified / Tertiary-Grade / Doctor

Explanation:
BTW a couple of French medical-doctor cousins of mine practising in the Versailles and St. Could areas of Paris who can count to three - and who qualified about half a century ago - call themselves 'Tertiary-Grade Doctors' in the Queen's English.

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St. Cloud areas....

Example sentence(s):

Tertiary Training & Qualifications Needed for a Doctor. Although television medical dramas are wrong about many things

Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/other/211420-doc...

Adrian MM.
Austria
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

Reference comments

19 mins peer agreement (net): +3

Reference: fwiw/hth

Reference information:
Doctorat de spécialité (3e cycle)
En 1954, un troisième cycle d'études supérieures, dit de spécialisation, est créé dans les facultés des sciences, puis en 1958 dans les facultés de lettres, puis en 1963 dans les facultés de droit et des sciences économiques. Un « diplôme de docteur dans une spécialité », renommé en « doctorat de spécialité (3e cycle) » est alors créé. La réforme Fouchet19 de 1966 place, dans les facultés des sciences et des lettres, le 3e cycle à la suite de la maîtrise avec la préparation du diplôme d'études approfondies en un an et du doctorat de 3e cycle en un ou deux ans.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplôme_national_de_doctorat_(...

and this
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/human-resources...

writeaway
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 72

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