Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
réunion de fait
English translation:
de facto joining/combining of parcels/plots; de facto plottage
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Jana Cole
Apr 14, 2017 18:44
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French term
réunion de fait
French to English
Bus/Financial
Real Estate
This is from an attestation. My question is whether ***reunion de fait*** is an established term.
Observation etant ici faite que lesdits lots numeros 4 and 5 ont ete ***reunis de fait*** par le vendeur et forment aujourd’hui une seule et meme unite d’habitation.
Cette ***reunion de fait*** n’a pas ete suivie d’une modification du reglement de copropriete et de l’etat descriptif de division ci-apres enonce.”
Observation etant ici faite que lesdits lots numeros 4 and 5 ont ete ***reunis de fait*** par le vendeur et forment aujourd’hui une seule et meme unite d’habitation.
Cette ***reunion de fait*** n’a pas ete suivie d’une modification du reglement de copropriete et de l’etat descriptif de division ci-apres enonce.”
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Change log
Apr 14, 2017 18:57: writeaway changed "Field" from "Other" to "Bus/Financial" , "Field (write-in)" from "domain unknown" to "(none)"
Apr 15, 2017 21:38: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "reunion de fait" to "réunion de fait"
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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French term (edited):
reunion de fait
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de facto joining/combining of parcels/plots; de facto plottage
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/plottage.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plottage
Plottage is the increase in value realized by combining adjacent parcels of land into one larger parcel. The process of combining the parcels is known as assemblage. Generally, the value of the whole parcel will be greater than the sum of the individual smaller parcels.[1]
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Note also the difference between "plottage" and "assemblage" :
"Plottage" is generally used to describe the joining of pltos when referring to the increase in value achiede as a result.
"Assemblage" appears to be the term for the joining.
Substitute "assemblage" for "plottage" in my suggestion.
http://www.thedataadvocate.com/assemblage-vs-plottage/
Assemblage vs. Plottage
Assemblage is the process of joining several parcels to form a larger parcel; the resulting increase in value is called plottage.
Assemblage — The combining of two or more adjoining lots into one large tract.
This is usually done to increase the value of the individual lots because a larger building capable of producing a larger net return may be erected on the larger parcel. The resulting added value is called plottage value. The developer often makes use of option contracts to tie up the right to purchase the desired adjacent parcels. Care must be taken through exact surveys to avoid the creation of gaps or strips between the acquired parcels through faulty legal descriptions.
Plottage value
The increased usability and value resulting from the combining or consolidating of adjacent lots into one larger lot. Plottage is also referred to as assemblage, although the latter is more often used to describe the process of consolidation. The term is often used in eminent domain matters to designate the added value given to lots that are contiguous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plottage
Plottage is the increase in value realized by combining adjacent parcels of land into one larger parcel. The process of combining the parcels is known as assemblage. Generally, the value of the whole parcel will be greater than the sum of the individual smaller parcels.[1]
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Note also the difference between "plottage" and "assemblage" :
"Plottage" is generally used to describe the joining of pltos when referring to the increase in value achiede as a result.
"Assemblage" appears to be the term for the joining.
Substitute "assemblage" for "plottage" in my suggestion.
http://www.thedataadvocate.com/assemblage-vs-plottage/
Assemblage vs. Plottage
Assemblage is the process of joining several parcels to form a larger parcel; the resulting increase in value is called plottage.
Assemblage — The combining of two or more adjoining lots into one large tract.
This is usually done to increase the value of the individual lots because a larger building capable of producing a larger net return may be erected on the larger parcel. The resulting added value is called plottage value. The developer often makes use of option contracts to tie up the right to purchase the desired adjacent parcels. Care must be taken through exact surveys to avoid the creation of gaps or strips between the acquired parcels through faulty legal descriptions.
Plottage value
The increased usability and value resulting from the combining or consolidating of adjacent lots into one larger lot. Plottage is also referred to as assemblage, although the latter is more often used to describe the process of consolidation. The term is often used in eminent domain matters to designate the added value given to lots that are contiguous.
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Nathalie Stewart
: Agree that 'plottage' is the right term here // I think it's used both ways - see here: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/plottage.asp
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I think it is probably "assemblage", "plottage" being the added value achieved in the process. The joining is "assemblage", I think.
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Daryo
: de facto joining of [cadastral] "lots" that are not parcels of land but adjoining flats that have been merged in one bigger flat.(... une seule et même unité d’habitation... ...n’a pas été suivie d’une modification du règlement de copropriété ..)
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The main thing is that "de facto" is used for "de fait" and that there is some term pointing to the notion of "join".
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French term (edited):
reunion de fait
de facto meeting
imo that's what it means.
see Larousse for confirmation:
de fait
locution adjectivale
droit actual, de facto
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in a legal text:
REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE
AU NOM DU PEUPLE FRANCAIS
SUR LE MOYEN UNIQUE, PRIS EN SA PREMIERE BRANCHE VU L'ARTICLE 313, ALINEA 3, DU CODE CIVIL;
ATTENDU QUE LA "REUNION DE FAIT", PREVUE PAR CE TEXTE IMPLIQUE L'EXISTENCE DE CIRCONSTANCES RENDANT VRAISEMBLABLES DES RELATIONS INTIMES, CIRCONSTANCES QU'IL APPARTIENT AUX JUGES DU FOND D'APPRECIER;
ATTENDU QUE X..., AYANT FORME UNE ACTION EN DESAVEU DE PATERNITE PAR SIMPLE DENEGATION DE L'ENFANT MIS AU MONDE LE 27 NOVEMBRE 1959 PAR SON EPOUSE, PENDANT L'INSTANCE EN DIVORCE ENGAGEE PAR LUI, L'ARRET INFIRMATIF ATTAQUE A DECIDE QUE CETTE ACTION ETAIT IRRECEVABLE AUX MOTIFS QUE, DURANT LA PERIODE LEGALE DE LA CONCEPTION, DAME X... ET SON MARIE S'ETAIENT TROUVES DANS LA NUIT DU 9 AU 10 MARS 1959, AU DOMICILE DE CELUI-CI "ENTRE L'HEURE DE LA SORTIE DES SPECTACLES ET L'HEURE OU (LADITE) DAME (AVAIT) TENTE DE SE SUICIDER, SOIT UNE HEURE AU MINIMUM" ET QUE "LA REUNION DE FAIT, AU SENS DE L'ARTICLE 313, ALINEA 3, (N'IMPLIQUAIT) NULLEMENT LA PREUVE POSITIVE QUE DES RELATIONS INTIMES AIENT EU LIEU" A CE MOMENT;
"QUE CETTE REUNION DE FAIT, SIMPLE RENCONTRE OCCASIONNELLE, QUI REND POSSIBLE DES RELATIONS INTIMES ET LES LAISSE SUPPOSER, CONSTITUE UNE PRESOMPTION IRREFRAGABLE";
ATTENDU QU'EN ADMETTANT QUE TOUTE RENCONTRE DE DEUX EPOUX Y... PRESOMPTION DE RELATIONS INTIMES, LA COUR D'APPEL, QUI NE RELEVE AUCUNE CIRCONSTANCE RENDANT EN L'ESPECE VRAISEMBLABLES DE TELLES RELATIONS, N'A PAS DONNE DE BASE LEGALE A SA DECISION;
PAR CES MOTIFS, ET SANS QU'IL Y AIT LIEU DE STATUER SUR LA SECONDE BRANCHE DU MOYEN UNIQUE;
CASSE ET ANNULE L'ARRET RENDU ENTRE LES PARTIES PAR LA COUR D'APPEL DE PARIS, LE 21 JUIN 1963;
REMET EN CONSEQUENCE LA CAUSE ET LES PARTIES AU MEME ET SEMBLABLE ETAT OU ELLES ETAIENT AVANT LEDIT ARRET ET, POUR ETRE FAIT DROIT, LES RENVOIE DEVANT LA COUR D'APPEL D'ORLEANS
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichJuriJudi.do?idTexte=JUR...
see Larousse for confirmation:
de fait
locution adjectivale
droit actual, de facto
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in a legal text:
REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE
AU NOM DU PEUPLE FRANCAIS
SUR LE MOYEN UNIQUE, PRIS EN SA PREMIERE BRANCHE VU L'ARTICLE 313, ALINEA 3, DU CODE CIVIL;
ATTENDU QUE LA "REUNION DE FAIT", PREVUE PAR CE TEXTE IMPLIQUE L'EXISTENCE DE CIRCONSTANCES RENDANT VRAISEMBLABLES DES RELATIONS INTIMES, CIRCONSTANCES QU'IL APPARTIENT AUX JUGES DU FOND D'APPRECIER;
ATTENDU QUE X..., AYANT FORME UNE ACTION EN DESAVEU DE PATERNITE PAR SIMPLE DENEGATION DE L'ENFANT MIS AU MONDE LE 27 NOVEMBRE 1959 PAR SON EPOUSE, PENDANT L'INSTANCE EN DIVORCE ENGAGEE PAR LUI, L'ARRET INFIRMATIF ATTAQUE A DECIDE QUE CETTE ACTION ETAIT IRRECEVABLE AUX MOTIFS QUE, DURANT LA PERIODE LEGALE DE LA CONCEPTION, DAME X... ET SON MARIE S'ETAIENT TROUVES DANS LA NUIT DU 9 AU 10 MARS 1959, AU DOMICILE DE CELUI-CI "ENTRE L'HEURE DE LA SORTIE DES SPECTACLES ET L'HEURE OU (LADITE) DAME (AVAIT) TENTE DE SE SUICIDER, SOIT UNE HEURE AU MINIMUM" ET QUE "LA REUNION DE FAIT, AU SENS DE L'ARTICLE 313, ALINEA 3, (N'IMPLIQUAIT) NULLEMENT LA PREUVE POSITIVE QUE DES RELATIONS INTIMES AIENT EU LIEU" A CE MOMENT;
"QUE CETTE REUNION DE FAIT, SIMPLE RENCONTRE OCCASIONNELLE, QUI REND POSSIBLE DES RELATIONS INTIMES ET LES LAISSE SUPPOSER, CONSTITUE UNE PRESOMPTION IRREFRAGABLE";
ATTENDU QU'EN ADMETTANT QUE TOUTE RENCONTRE DE DEUX EPOUX Y... PRESOMPTION DE RELATIONS INTIMES, LA COUR D'APPEL, QUI NE RELEVE AUCUNE CIRCONSTANCE RENDANT EN L'ESPECE VRAISEMBLABLES DE TELLES RELATIONS, N'A PAS DONNE DE BASE LEGALE A SA DECISION;
PAR CES MOTIFS, ET SANS QU'IL Y AIT LIEU DE STATUER SUR LA SECONDE BRANCHE DU MOYEN UNIQUE;
CASSE ET ANNULE L'ARRET RENDU ENTRE LES PARTIES PAR LA COUR D'APPEL DE PARIS, LE 21 JUIN 1963;
REMET EN CONSEQUENCE LA CAUSE ET LES PARTIES AU MEME ET SEMBLABLE ETAT OU ELLES ETAIENT AVANT LEDIT ARRET ET, POUR ETRE FAIT DROIT, LES RENVOIE DEVANT LA COUR D'APPEL D'ORLEANS
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichJuriJudi.do?idTexte=JUR...
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Daryo
: in this ST it's a different kind of "réunion" // you can't really compare "la réunion" of two adjoining flats with "la réunion" between a husband and a wife?
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when I saw the disagree, I immediately knew who it had to. /I didn't bother reading carefully. Meeting is clearly wrong but so obviously wrong that it's hardly worth zapping with a big red disagree. I realise it's hard to resist....
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Nathalie Stewart
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French term (edited):
reunion de fait
de facto united plots of land
I did not find this as a set phrase in English, but plots (or parcels) of land are very often "united" so I don't see why "de facto" could not be placed in front.
http://www.universimmo.com/forum_universimmo/topic.asp?TOPIC...
2 lots de fait réunis
http://www.ventes-domaniales.fr/eQ_listimmobilier.php3?page=...
Lots réunis de fait
http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1911/aug1911/gr_l-6098_1...
two adjoining parcels of land
two united parcels of land
http://www.leadingpropertygroupspain.com/en/properties/leon/...
Two united plots of 900 m2 and 800 m2 respectively situated within...
http://www.universimmo.com/forum_universimmo/topic.asp?TOPIC...
2 lots de fait réunis
http://www.ventes-domaniales.fr/eQ_listimmobilier.php3?page=...
Lots réunis de fait
http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri1911/aug1911/gr_l-6098_1...
two adjoining parcels of land
two united parcels of land
http://www.leadingpropertygroupspain.com/en/properties/leon/...
Two united plots of 900 m2 and 800 m2 respectively situated within...
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Daryo
: beware of the difference between UK and France // in UK you can't really own a flat - only rent it for up to 999 years // these "lots" are very likely to be "appartements en copropriété", not "plots of land"
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? I don't think I mentioned 'owning a flat' anywhere
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AllegroTrans
: "Lots" doesn't mean "plots" per se
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French term (edited):
reunion de fait
de facto amalgamation (of units)
"Lots" is used very broadly in French in relation to real estate. It can mean a plot of land, an apartment or a unit in an office block, for example. In my experience, the word is always used for each separate registration in the cadastral register. Since we don't know whether this is referring to built land or not, "unit" would be a wide (and safe) term to use.
Cadastre - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadastre
A cadastre (also spelled cadaster), using a cadastral survey or cadastral map, is a .... section or lot numbers and their respective areas, adjoining and adjacent street names, selected boundary dimensions and references to prior maps.
À propos de la rénovation cadastrale - Information foncière
https://foncier.mern.gouv.qc.ca/...cadastrale/.../a-propos-d...
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Il était devenu imparfait, car 750 000 lots déjà représentés au cadastre contenaient des anomalies. Celles-ci pouvaient prendre la forme d'inexactitudes ou ...
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Procedure for amalgamation of plots - MCGM
www.mcgm.gov.in/irj/go/.../1 Amalgamation flowchart.doc - C...
1) Procedure for amalgamation of Municipal Leasehold Plots. Proposal for Amalgamation. Total 34 days. A.E. (Imp. Documents to be submitted by Applicant.
Subdivision/Amalgamation of plots - Tiruchirappalli
www.trichy.tn.nic.in/tlpa/procedures/subdivision_and_amalga...
Applicant seeking sub-division of plot should submit application in the prescribed form with necessary enclosures in 5 sets to the Member Secretary, Local ...
Cadastre - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadastre
A cadastre (also spelled cadaster), using a cadastral survey or cadastral map, is a .... section or lot numbers and their respective areas, adjoining and adjacent street names, selected boundary dimensions and references to prior maps.
À propos de la rénovation cadastrale - Information foncière
https://foncier.mern.gouv.qc.ca/...cadastrale/.../a-propos-d...
Translate this page
Il était devenu imparfait, car 750 000 lots déjà représentés au cadastre contenaient des anomalies. Celles-ci pouvaient prendre la forme d'inexactitudes ou ...
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Note added at 15 hrs (2017-04-15 10:40:44 GMT)
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Procedure for amalgamation of plots - MCGM
www.mcgm.gov.in/irj/go/.../1 Amalgamation flowchart.doc - C...
1) Procedure for amalgamation of Municipal Leasehold Plots. Proposal for Amalgamation. Total 34 days. A.E. (Imp. Documents to be submitted by Applicant.
Subdivision/Amalgamation of plots - Tiruchirappalli
www.trichy.tn.nic.in/tlpa/procedures/subdivision_and_amalga...
Applicant seeking sub-division of plot should submit application in the prescribed form with necessary enclosures in 5 sets to the Member Secretary, Local ...
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writeaway
: sounds good (after taking due note of the actual context.. my bad but hey..)
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Yvonne Gallagher
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thanks Y!
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Daryo
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Discussion
Observation étant ici faite que lesdits lots numéros 4 and 5 ont été ***réunis de fait*** par le vendeur et forment aujourd’hui une seule et même unité d’habitation.
Cette ***réunion de fait*** n’a pas été suivie d’une modification du règlement de copropriété et de l’état descriptif de division ci-après énonce.”