Apr 7, 2008 15:16
16 yrs ago
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French term
Econduit de toute prétention artistique...
French to English
Art/Literary
Journalism
Hi
There is actually more... it's the whole sentence I'm having problems with. The story so far is an untrained artist who claimed spirits guided him as he painted. This is the sentence:
"D'être ainsi éconduit de toute prétention artistique l'a détaché d'emblée des modèles du musée."
So the fact he never claimed to be an artist meant he was free to follow his own path rather than conform to artistic models ("museum paintings")... all of which needs seriously rewording.
I'm working on it and your ideas/brainstorming will be a great help. Many thanks!
There is actually more... it's the whole sentence I'm having problems with. The story so far is an untrained artist who claimed spirits guided him as he painted. This is the sentence:
"D'être ainsi éconduit de toute prétention artistique l'a détaché d'emblée des modèles du musée."
So the fact he never claimed to be an artist meant he was free to follow his own path rather than conform to artistic models ("museum paintings")... all of which needs seriously rewording.
I'm working on it and your ideas/brainstorming will be a great help. Many thanks!
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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...released him at a stroke from academic preconceptions
And the first bit perhaps ....try soon!
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might this be "putting aside all artistic claims"...released him, at
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a stroke from academic preconceptions"
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might this be "putting aside all artistic claims"...released him, at
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a stroke from academic preconceptions"
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you, all this brainstorming is exactly what I needed. Jack's "released" and "academic" put me on what I hope is the right track: "Released from any artistic claim, he was free to abandon the academic model, the paintings of museums." - the key is that by claiming spirits guided his work, he didn't have to "pretend" to be an artist or conform in any way. Many thanks to all of you, your help is much appreciated."
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Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Works in field
United Kingdom
poetically precise prose with... panache
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, Spanish to English, English
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Unencumbered by any artistic pretension/ambition
Unhampered
Unimpeded
Not restricted
etc.
.... he was free to ....
... he could give free reign to...
Or simply:
His lack of artistic pretension allowed him free reign to...
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or... left him free to...
Unimpeded
Not restricted
etc.
.... he was free to ....
... he could give free reign to...
Or simply:
His lack of artistic pretension allowed him free reign to...
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or... left him free to...
Peer comment(s):
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Emma Paulay
: I like all your suggestions
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many thanks Emma :) should have said ".. his total lack of artistic pretension..."
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Colin Rowe
: "Unencumbered by artistic pretension" is exactly the phrasing I was toying with, too.
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many thanks Colin :)
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Nadia Ayoub
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thanks nadia!
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Diane Partenio (X)
: I was thinking "unburdened" - a synonmyn, but with fewer syllables (always trying to cut down I guess..)
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thanks Diane! another good suggestion!
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Katarina Peters
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thanks Katarina!
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Assimina Vavoula
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thanks Assimina!
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His rejection/avoidance/dismissal of any artistic pretensions
I also toyed with 'shrugged off' but I think Carol's suggestions encompass that idea much better.
You could also go along the lines of: Not having set out to be an artist enabled him to distance himself from...
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oops, that was meant to be: not having set out to be an artist, he was able to distance himself from...
You could also go along the lines of: Not having set out to be an artist enabled him to distance himself from...
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oops, that was meant to be: not having set out to be an artist, he was able to distance himself from...
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Having thus been rid of all artistic pretension...
(cont) he was freed from adhering to any classic tradition.
Peer comment(s):
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sueaberwoman
: Yes, or stripped; there is likely another person involved (or more) who seems to have discouraged him.
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You are right, stripped is better
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Aude Sylvain
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thanks
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(Thus) put off any artistic pretension
It seems an event turned him away from a conventional artistic career
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Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche
Italy
Italy
Native in French
&
English
Works in field
Italy
work, work, work!!
Native in: English 
, French
Works in: Italian to English, Italian to French, French to English, and 3 more.
unaware of any artistic value of his work
unaware of the artistic value of his work
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unaware because he didn't have the basic training so he just painted !! no expectations or weights to be rid of..
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unaware because he didn't have the basic training so he just painted !! no expectations or weights to be rid of..
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Jack Dunwell
: I ask because I don't know Caroll...does éconduire mean something like "unaware"?
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I was thinking in a more general way, because he was probably also unaware, but I agree with unencumbered as well
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schevallier
Native in French
Try me!
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French, French, and 1 more.
devoid of any artistic claim
other suggestion
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thus being devoid of any artistic claim/ambition
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thus being devoid of any artistic claim/ambition
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