Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
pittura antica
English translation:
premodern/pre-twentieth-century painting
Added to glossary by
philgoddard
Apr 11, 2015 21:13
9 yrs ago
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Italian term
pittura antica
Italian to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
History of Art
The exact phrase is from a dedication (a vote of thanks, really) in a piece of academic writing:
"Grazie a _________, cui devo l’avermi riconciliato con gli studi sulle tecniche e le pratiche organizzative e esecutive della pittura antica. "
Now, I'm pretty convinced that this is not simply "ancient painting" in the sense of the painting of Ancient Rome/ Ancient Greece etc. and that in general, "arte antica" is used for much more recent art than we would normally call "ancient" ... see for example the artists covered in this publisher's range of titles on "arte antica":
http://www.skira.net/en/category/arte-antica
or, indeed, the period covered by the Galleria d'Arte Antica in Rome. Really it's almost defined in contrast to "arte moderna" ... really right up through the Renaissance and the Baroque and perhaps a little beyond.
So the question is really, is there a way of expressing this in English without going into a long definition?
Any suggestions welcome.
"Grazie a _________, cui devo l’avermi riconciliato con gli studi sulle tecniche e le pratiche organizzative e esecutive della pittura antica. "
Now, I'm pretty convinced that this is not simply "ancient painting" in the sense of the painting of Ancient Rome/ Ancient Greece etc. and that in general, "arte antica" is used for much more recent art than we would normally call "ancient" ... see for example the artists covered in this publisher's range of titles on "arte antica":
http://www.skira.net/en/category/arte-antica
or, indeed, the period covered by the Galleria d'Arte Antica in Rome. Really it's almost defined in contrast to "arte moderna" ... really right up through the Renaissance and the Baroque and perhaps a little beyond.
So the question is really, is there a way of expressing this in English without going into a long definition?
Any suggestions welcome.
Proposed translations
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May 4, 2015 17:55: philgoddard Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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premodern/pre-twentieth-century painting
I think you put your finger on it when you say it's everything that's not modern.
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James (Jim) Davis
: With premodern Phil. Modern art begins more or less with impressionism around the 1860s. Of course Arte Antica can also be used in the narrower sense as ancient art Greek and Roman Art and earlier periods.
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contesei
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in the history of painting
= "della pittura antica" - would that work?
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it gets away from the dichotomy between "pittura antica" as understood in art history (ancient Greek and Roman art) and "pittura antica" as understood in a certain Italian parlance, where it means "anything up until the day before yesterday".
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it gets away from the dichotomy between "pittura antica" as understood in art history (ancient Greek and Roman art) and "pittura antica" as understood in a certain Italian parlance, where it means "anything up until the day before yesterday".
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old painting
all that comes to mindç
"antique" too often refers to the same thing as "antique furniture"
"ancient", you are right, is too specific.
"old" may also be used on, say, EBay to indicate simply ann old arty article. However, in the context of both the phrase and the book dedication I don't see any problem with "old".
I would not use "traditional" for it refers too much to a method
"antique" too often refers to the same thing as "antique furniture"
"ancient", you are right, is too specific.
"old" may also be used on, say, EBay to indicate simply ann old arty article. However, in the context of both the phrase and the book dedication I don't see any problem with "old".
I would not use "traditional" for it refers too much to a method
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Traditional painting styles / Traditional art
An idea.
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1 day 15 hrs
classic art/painting
another suggestion
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in the history of art/painting
With the extra context (very late in arrival), couldn't you work something in using the word history as a sort of metonym for the past "kings in history" means "past kings"
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Note added at 11 days (2015-04-23 12:36:45 GMT)
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Sorry Tom! Didn't see yours.
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Note added at 11 days (2015-04-23 12:36:45 GMT)
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Sorry Tom! Didn't see yours.
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