Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jul 18, 2006 12:32
17 yrs ago
German term
Saufteufel
German to English
Other
Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
Zur Zeit der Einführung des kabak in Russland prangerte Martin Luther exzessive Trunksucht als „den allmächtigen Abgott der Deutschen“ an und sagte dem „Saufteufel“ (1541) den Kampf an.
I'm not looking for a direct translation - what I need is an English term which uses a mythical being as a metaphor for alcoholism (Russian зеленый змей would be another example).
I'm not looking for a direct translation - what I need is an English term which uses a mythical being as a metaphor for alcoholism (Russian зеленый змей would be another example).
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +8 | dionysis |
David Hollywood
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| 3 +1 | "booze devil" |
Edith Kelly
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| 3 | bacchus |
rainerc (X)
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| 3 | demon rum |
jccantrell
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Proposed translations
+8
4 mins
David Hollywood
Native in English
Works in field
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
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47
Selected
dionysis
Dionysis. Dionysus, the Greek god of wine and intoxication, was the sixth ruler of the ancient world. He came behind Chaos, Mother Rhea, Ouranos, ...
www.geocities.com/Athens/ Parthenon/2226/Greek/dionysis.html - 7k -
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Dionysis
It is said to assist with healing alcoholism , compulsive behaviors ... Once , Dionysis ( diety of wine and mischief ) was so annoyed by Artemis ( a virgin ...
cgi.ebay.ie/Raw-Phantom-Amethyst-Dogtooth-x-3-d-spiritual_ W0QQitemZ6247330711QQcategoryZ415QQcmdZViewItem - 60k - Supplemental Result -
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or: Dionysus
This dissertation is an inquiry into the interaction between the Greek god Dionysus and the disease of alcoholism, striving to unearth a viable depth ...
www.online.pacifica.edu/pgl/stories/storyReader$597 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages
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in a modern context "the demon drink"
www.geocities.com/Athens/ Parthenon/2226/Greek/dionysis.html - 7k -
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Note added at 9 mins (2006-07-18 12:41:51 GMT)
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Dionysis
It is said to assist with healing alcoholism , compulsive behaviors ... Once , Dionysis ( diety of wine and mischief ) was so annoyed by Artemis ( a virgin ...
cgi.ebay.ie/Raw-Phantom-Amethyst-Dogtooth-x-3-d-spiritual_ W0QQitemZ6247330711QQcategoryZ415QQcmdZViewItem - 60k - Supplemental Result -
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Note added at 10 mins (2006-07-18 12:43:03 GMT)
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or: Dionysus
This dissertation is an inquiry into the interaction between the Greek god Dionysus and the disease of alcoholism, striving to unearth a viable depth ...
www.online.pacifica.edu/pgl/stories/storyReader$597 - 17k - Cached - Similar pages
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in a modern context "the demon drink"
Peer comment(s):
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Francis Lee (X)
: I get your point and I'm sure Luther was no fan of Dionysus either (i.e. didn't consider him a deity), but surely he would've called him by name?
18 mins
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I agree Francis hence the "demon drink" option :)
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Lori Dendy-Molz
: with 'the demon drink'
21 mins
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thanks Lori :)
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Ian M-H (X)
: "demon drink"
25 mins
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thanks Ian :)
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silvia glatzhofer
: demon drink
25 mins
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thanks Silvia :)
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BrigitteHilgner
: Definitely NOT Dionysos - far too harmless. "demon drink" should fit.
28 mins
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thanks Brigitte :)
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Alison Jenner
: demon drink
35 mins
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thanks Alison :)
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rainerc (X)
: yes, I like the demon drink!
42 mins
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thanks rainerc :)
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Maureen Millington-Brodie
: with Demon Drink, Dionysus means mosaic floors in ancient Roman villas
5 hrs
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thanks mbrodie :)
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Rachel Ward
: yes, demon drink
19 hrs
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thanks Rachel :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "demon drink is probably the best option, though not ideal"
17 mins
bacchus
the roman god, would be another possibility
+1
23 mins
Edith Kelly
Switzerland
Switzerland
Native in German
&
English
Switzerland
Professional conference interpreter
Native in: German 
, English
Works in: German to English, English to German, Dutch to German, and 4 more.
Related KudoZ points
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39
"booze devil"
texts about the Reformation give this expression
Johann Jacobs Museum - Even during the Reformation, advocates of moderation had preached against the "Saufteufel" (Booze Devil), the excessive consumption of wine, beer or cider, ...
www.johann-jacobs-museum.ch/ english/kaffeekultur/koerper
[PDF] Ami Pro - HDM2206.TXTDateiformat: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - HTML-Version
With Martin Luther in the 1500's, came the reformation, but the rebirth of the ... PICKETT, LL - - The Booze Devil. PICKETT, LL - - The Christian Home - - ...
wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/2201-2300/HDM2206.PDF
Johann Jacobs Museum - Even during the Reformation, advocates of moderation had preached against the "Saufteufel" (Booze Devil), the excessive consumption of wine, beer or cider, ...
www.johann-jacobs-museum.ch/ english/kaffeekultur/koerper
[PDF] Ami Pro - HDM2206.TXTDateiformat: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - HTML-Version
With Martin Luther in the 1500's, came the reformation, but the rebirth of the ... PICKETT, LL - - The Booze Devil. PICKETT, LL - - The Christian Home - - ...
wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/2201-2300/HDM2206.PDF
1 hr
jccantrell
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Was nicht ist, kann noch werden.
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
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19
demon rum
although this turns it around a bit, in the USA, "demon rum" is THE word for this sort of thing.
Peer comment(s):
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Ian M-H (X)
: But the question is about 16th century Europe, not the USA. Rum was pretty rare over here back then, I believe. No reason to prefer this to David's "demon drink" (for which there are plenty of authentic US references) IMO.
11 mins
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Which is why I qualified it as USA. However, is it intended for a 16th century reading audience or current day? Which would be understandable to the audience? Best to leave it to the translator, IMO. Give him/her many choices with information.
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