Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Swedish term or phrase:
fil. lic.
English translation:
Ph. Lic.
Added to glossary by
Thomas Johansson
Sep 6, 2005 08:17
18 yrs ago
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Swedish term
fil. lic.
Swedish to English
Other
Education / Pedagogy
university title/degree
I have elsewhere translated fil. kand. as Bachelor of Arts and fil. mag. as Master of Arts.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | Ph. Lic. | David Shannon |
5 | Filosofie Licentiat | Foxman |
3 -1 | Ph.D or possibly D.Phil (if philosophy) | Dana Sackett Lössl |
Proposed translations
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Ph. Lic.
This seems to be the way people with a 'filosofie licenciat' translate it to english - awarded at many European universities - used to be one myself
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Whilst Americans and perhaps Brits may not be familiar with the term, those who write their dictionaries certainly seem to know what a licenciate is :0)
Following taken from among definitions of licenciate at Encarta world English dictionary, North American Edition...
academic degree: a degree awarded by some European universities that ranks one step below that of a doctorate
somebody with licentiate degree: somebody holding the degree of licentiate
May be better to have to look up a word now and then than to be faced with a mistranslation that means something different (?)
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Note added at 2005-09-06 14:51:09 (GMT)
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Whilst Americans and perhaps Brits may not be familiar with the term, those who write their dictionaries certainly seem to know what a licenciate is :0)
Following taken from among definitions of licenciate at Encarta world English dictionary, North American Edition...
academic degree: a degree awarded by some European universities that ranks one step below that of a doctorate
somebody with licentiate degree: somebody holding the degree of licentiate
May be better to have to look up a word now and then than to be faced with a mistranslation that means something different (?)
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Ph.D or possibly D.Phil (if philosophy)
Interesting question!
In the U.S., the degree system is as follows:
AA/AS (Arts/Science) 2 yrs. total
BA/BS 4 yrs. total
MA/MS 5-6 yrs. total
PhD 8 yrs. and upward
This corresponds rather well with the following system:
The degree programs at Stockholm University consists of :
Fil. kand. degree (BA equivalent), totally 3 years.
Fil. mag. degree (MS equivalent), totally 4 years.
Fil. lic. degree, BA or MS + about 2.5 years
Fil. dr. degree (PhD equivalent), BA or MS + another 4-5 years.
I would therefore be tempted to call it a Ph.D - even though it is a little different - and write the Swedish title in brackets.
That is just my 2 cents! (I can already see people shaking their heads...)
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[From Wikipedia]
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.), an abbreviation for the Latin "Philosophiæ Doctor" (or alternatively Doctor philosophiæ, D.Phil.) was originally a degree granted by a university to a learned individual who had achieved the approval of his peers and who had demonstrated a long and productive career in the field of philosophy. The appellation of "Doctor" (from Latin: teacher) was usually awarded only when the individual was in middle age. It indicated a life dedicated to learning, to knowledge, and to the spread of knowledge.
The degree was popularised in the 19th century at the Friedrich Wilhelm University in Berlin as a degree to be granted to someone who had undertaken original research in the sciences or humanities. From here it spread to the U.S., arriving in the UK at the start of the 20th century. This displaced the existing Doctor of Philosophy degree in some Universities — for instance the D.Phil. (higher doctorate in the faculty of philosophy) at the University of St Andrews was discontinued and replaced with the Ph.D. (research doctorate). However some UK universities such as Oxford and Sussex retain the D.Phil. appellation for their research degrees, as do German and Scandinavian universities.
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The www.soc.uu.se site is very interesting.
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The problem with using "licensiate" - at least in the U.S. - is that people are not going to know what it is!
In the U.S., the degree system is as follows:
AA/AS (Arts/Science) 2 yrs. total
BA/BS 4 yrs. total
MA/MS 5-6 yrs. total
PhD 8 yrs. and upward
This corresponds rather well with the following system:
The degree programs at Stockholm University consists of :
Fil. kand. degree (BA equivalent), totally 3 years.
Fil. mag. degree (MS equivalent), totally 4 years.
Fil. lic. degree, BA or MS + about 2.5 years
Fil. dr. degree (PhD equivalent), BA or MS + another 4-5 years.
I would therefore be tempted to call it a Ph.D - even though it is a little different - and write the Swedish title in brackets.
That is just my 2 cents! (I can already see people shaking their heads...)
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[From Wikipedia]
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.), an abbreviation for the Latin "Philosophiæ Doctor" (or alternatively Doctor philosophiæ, D.Phil.) was originally a degree granted by a university to a learned individual who had achieved the approval of his peers and who had demonstrated a long and productive career in the field of philosophy. The appellation of "Doctor" (from Latin: teacher) was usually awarded only when the individual was in middle age. It indicated a life dedicated to learning, to knowledge, and to the spread of knowledge.
The degree was popularised in the 19th century at the Friedrich Wilhelm University in Berlin as a degree to be granted to someone who had undertaken original research in the sciences or humanities. From here it spread to the U.S., arriving in the UK at the start of the 20th century. This displaced the existing Doctor of Philosophy degree in some Universities — for instance the D.Phil. (higher doctorate in the faculty of philosophy) at the University of St Andrews was discontinued and replaced with the Ph.D. (research doctorate). However some UK universities such as Oxford and Sussex retain the D.Phil. appellation for their research degrees, as do German and Scandinavian universities.
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The www.soc.uu.se site is very interesting.
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The problem with using "licensiate" - at least in the U.S. - is that people are not going to know what it is!
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: As far as I know, PhD is a higher qualification than PhLic, which doesn't exist in the UK or (presumably) the USA.
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My point exactly. PhLic doesn't exist in English and, as there is no exact equivalent, it seems reasonable to use Ph.D (which is close) and write the Swedish term in brackets. That's just my opinion.
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hirselina
: I think "fil. lic." is a PhD student
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See bottom of wikipedia reference. Some UK (and Scandinavian) universities apparently still use the D.Phil title.
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David Shannon
: fil lic comes between Masters (fil mag) and doctorate (fil dr) - certainly not equivalent of doctorate
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I know, David, but there is no equivalent, and most Americans will not understand "licensiate," which is why an explanation is needed. Another option might be to keep the Swedish term and write an explanation in parentheses.
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Foxman
: David needs to know the evolution of higher education in Sweden. Fil Lic depends on where awarded, in what, and where.
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Filosofie Licentiat
There seems to be some confusion over this title/degree. In 1968 or so the Social Democratic government took it into their heads to modify academic life to fit their own conceptions. Several academic ranks such as biträder professor were created which indicated a professor who was in fact not the head of an Institute and who had a more precarious future than a "real" professor. The Fil Lic was converted to another strange status. American Ph.D.s mean almost nothing as far as academic achievement is concerned, so the party of the time, dummied down the entire system to sort of conform to their concept of North American standards. So it is still not clear. If your Fil. Lic. antedated 1970 it became a higher status title than the subsequent title, but with no practical means of discrimination between the two. The older is closer in requirements to an American University Ph. D. with a respected graduate program. The latter or later one, falls in with state "Normal" Schools where a D.Ed. or Ph. D. is a sign of persistence rather than attainment.
Example sentence:
The Filosophie Licentiat is a Swedish degree somewhere between a high class American Ph.D. and a regional university vocational doctorate.
Enigmatically its prestige depends on the year awarded, the faculty, and marginally, the university.
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David Shannon
: If you translate fil lic as "Ph D", how do you translate "Fil dr"? Or are you honestly saying you think they're the same? And what's a "biträder professor"? Surely you mean "biträdande professor" - you specialize in this field?
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