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Project History (plus feedback!) features updated. Members are invited to use it!
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Walter Landesman
Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
Local time: 08:58
English to Spanish
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Counter Apr 27, 2006

I have 10 projects posted, 7 corroborated. Another one was corroborated today but the counter still mark 7.
It should read 8 in 10.
Any bugs?


 
Austra Muizniece
Austra Muizniece  Identity Verified
Latvia
Local time: 13:58
English to Latvian
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Do I understand this correctly? May 2, 2006

The outsourcers can only provide feedback if they are ProZ members? I've listed a project done for an agency who is listed in BB, but is not a member. Does the client have to register to be able to provide feedback?

 
Iulia Matei
Iulia Matei  Identity Verified
Local time: 13:58
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English to Romanian
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Reliability issue May 31, 2006

Natalya Zelikova wrote:

the directory is created for outsourcers, and potential outsourcer doesn’t care about how I am helping my colleagues, number of my KudoZ points show my expertise in a certain field for him.


Some of them *do* care.:)

But the point is that I probably would like to have an alternative (less time consuming) way to confirm my specializations...


The problem here is that, as opposed to answering Kudos, which is very much "out in the open" and subject to a qualitative selection by our (specialist) peers, the PH has a better chance to be abusively used (fake projects entered and corroborated by "friends", and all other concerns expressed by our colleagues).

This can be a good marketing tool in your profile, but it's probably not as "controllable" or reliable as Kudos.

Natalya Zelikova wrote:
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

The PH as discriminatory factor is unfair since not everybody has the time to implement it and the feedback depends on the willingness of the outsourcers to give it.

The same (time) is about KudoZ… Still it is considered «fair».


Yes, because of the above-mentioned reasons. If it takes the same time to fill in your PH and to answer Kudos, why not answer Kudos to increase your profile exposure?

If I will be 'forced' to implement the PH to remain competitive...

None of them (nor KudoZ neither PH) is obligatory, but still KudoZ IS indirectly obligatory and more influential in terms of directory rating. So why PH shouldn’t be? Anyone can use what he/she likes.


That it can be used so liberally is exactly why it shouldn't, in my view at least.

I am already "forced" to participate in KudoZ to stay competitive Still I do not have objections to the system, I just want to have an alternative.


An alternative would be nice, but it needs to be more reliable than this, too.

This is just MHO and I'm waiting for peer comments.

Cheers.

[Edited at 2006-05-31 10:48]


 
Iulia Matei
Iulia Matei  Identity Verified
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Why not be able to edit project pending corroboration? May 31, 2006

Hello.

I've just entered my first project in my PH (I think overall it's a very useful marketing feature - thanks for the improvement), but I did't have any idea what it would look like and now my project entry doesn't look very... appealing, so to speak.

Why am I not allowed to edit it *before* my client sees and corroborates it?
After all, when they give it their okie-dokie, they will be able to see the updated version and whether they like it or not.

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Hello.

I've just entered my first project in my PH (I think overall it's a very useful marketing feature - thanks for the improvement), but I did't have any idea what it would look like and now my project entry doesn't look very... appealing, so to speak.

Why am I not allowed to edit it *before* my client sees and corroborates it?
After all, when they give it their okie-dokie, they will be able to see the updated version and whether they like it or not.

Plus: what if they notice something in there they don't approve of and want me to change it before they corroborate / give their feedback?
I doubt they'll bother reading several drafts of the project presentation and work with the translator on that, but they *will* read the final presentation.

Moreover, why should I be allowed to change information *after* they corroborate? I doubt many of them will want to constantly check my PH page over and over (I assume they ARE notified that the entry has changed?).

Just some thoughts for further improvent.

Kisses to all.
Iulia

[Edited at 2006-05-31 11:21]
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Walter Landesman
Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
Local time: 08:58
English to Spanish
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A tab in the new profile Jul 26, 2006

Hi guys,

Project History has proved to be a very useful feature to me.

However, it is hard to see and to get at in the new profile.

Yes, I know you can set it so that any visitor can see a summary on the front page. But this is not enough. If the visitor wants to read or to know more, he/she has to investigate how to do it, find out that he/she has to click on the + "Click for standardized information", scroll down, find Project History and again click on
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Hi guys,

Project History has proved to be a very useful feature to me.

However, it is hard to see and to get at in the new profile.

Yes, I know you can set it so that any visitor can see a summary on the front page. But this is not enough. If the visitor wants to read or to know more, he/she has to investigate how to do it, find out that he/she has to click on the + "Click for standardized information", scroll down, find Project History and again click on the + sign.

I wonder if it wouldn`t be easier, faster, nicer, friendier, to have just a PH tab as we used to have in the old profile.

PH is a feature that deserves to be higlighted, not hidden. It looks as it is being hidden now.

I`d appreciate it if you do something about this, please.


Best regards,

Walter
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Walter Landesman
Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
Uruguay
Local time: 08:58
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My suggestion Jul 26, 2006

Walter Landesman wrote:

Hi guys,

Project History has proved to be a very useful feature to me.

However, it is hard to see and to get at in the new profile.

Yes, I know you can set it so that any visitor can see a summary on the front page. But this is not enough. If the visitor wants to read or to know more, he/she has to investigate how to do it, find out that he/she has to click on the + "Click for standardized information", scroll down, find Project History and again click on the + sign.

I wonder if it wouldn`t be easier, faster, nicer, friendier, to have just a PH tab as we used to have in the old profile.

PH is a feature that deserves to be higlighted, not hidden. It looks as it is being hidden now.

I`d appreciate it if you do something about this, please.


Best regards,

Walter


May be just adding a "+" sign next to the PH Summary on the front page can do the tick.


 
Ruben Arellano
Ruben Arellano  Identity Verified
United States
English to Spanish
Feature has good intentions but it is very ease to misuse Oct 16, 2006

I agree with the concerns expressed by some of the collegues here. This marketing feature as is, poses a high risk of being misused to mislead outsourcers.

Perhaps we all can come with some way to eliminate this risk in it. Because I also agree with those who think it is not a bad idea to give information to outsourcers about past projects you have work on.


 
Natasha Stojanovska-Ilievska
Natasha Stojanovska-Ilievska
North Macedonia
Local time: 12:58
English to Macedonian
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Problems making my PH tab visible in visitor's view Feb 16, 2007

Hi everyone!

I would appreciate it if you could help me with this minor problem I have with PH.

I have entered five projects in my PH, some of which have already been confirmed by outsourcers and collaborators. I have also entered short descriptions of the projects that should have been made publicly visible, but they're not.

How can I select all my projects and make them visible in visitor's view?

Thanks a lot.

Natasha

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Hi everyone!

I would appreciate it if you could help me with this minor problem I have with PH.

I have entered five projects in my PH, some of which have already been confirmed by outsourcers and collaborators. I have also entered short descriptions of the projects that should have been made publicly visible, but they're not.

How can I select all my projects and make them visible in visitor's view?

Thanks a lot.

Natasha

PS. Don't you think that 'hidding' in "This ProZ.com member is currently hidding their Project History tab." should actually be 'hiding"?
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María Florencia Vita
María Florencia Vita
Local time: 08:58
SITE STAFF
About the visibility of the PH Feb 16, 2007

Hi Natasha,

I have checked your profile and I have toggled the visibility of your Project History. At first it did not work, but then I insisted and finally succeeded in making your PH visible when you force the visitors view.

Please have a look and tell me if this is what you really wanted.

Kind regards,

Florencia


 
Natasha Stojanovska-Ilievska
Natasha Stojanovska-Ilievska
North Macedonia
Local time: 12:58
English to Macedonian
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Thanks Florencia! Feb 16, 2007

I was really glad to finally see my PH tab in visitor's view. Thanks.

 
R. Alex Jenkins
R. Alex Jenkins  Identity Verified
Brazil
Local time: 08:58
Member (2006)
Portuguese to English
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It's NOT a feature I like... Aug 2, 2007

In fact, it's the feature that I least like on Proz.

Why?

Because I want to have a life after administration!

Obviously, being a conscientious person and translator, I always enter all my project details, payments made/to be received etc...into my own personal computer. What I really loathe is instead of being able to get on with something new and interesting it seems to be necessary to go into Proz and (re)update all the information in a time consuming fas
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In fact, it's the feature that I least like on Proz.

Why?

Because I want to have a life after administration!

Obviously, being a conscientious person and translator, I always enter all my project details, payments made/to be received etc...into my own personal computer. What I really loathe is instead of being able to get on with something new and interesting it seems to be necessary to go into Proz and (re)update all the information in a time consuming fashion ALL OVER AGAIN.

The words 'overkill' and 'repetition' seem to spring to mind.

I've been looking at the PH feature in a number or Proz profiles and I've noticed that in most cases it's either '0' or about 10 percent. Why would that be? Is it because the client and/or project manager has to spend possibly several hours per day ratifying these translator projects - the majority of them not having the time and not wanting to?

It's very time consuming and it's rather non-productive for all parties. I'm not saying it doesn't produce productive results, but that it's time spent entering duplicate information instead of pursuing more direct pro-active marketing techniques; instead, it's a re-active manner of building up profile 'star' points and waiting for new, potential clients to make the first move.

I also find that it competes with Kudoz points in terms of the time and effort involved. Kudoz is based on a long, organic, proven process of peer comments and corroboration. It's not easy to cheat or boost status - peers won't allow for that. PH on the other hand allows us to spend a whole day entering projects, ringing up PM's and getting feedback, superficially boosting status in the short term.

I have decided to remove my PH history - as much as I'm allowed to. Some of the data is very sensitive, plus PH entry is very time consuming (I have just finished three straight projects), entered about two hundred terms into my glossaries, updated my profile, checked my finances, answered my Kudoz questions etc...PH is the last thing in my list of priorities.

Richard.
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B D Finch
B D Finch  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 12:58
French to English
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More flexibility would help Nov 29, 2007

I like the idea of the PH being visible but there is a problem when I can't deletem or make invisible old and not very relevant entries. This feature just gets too cluttered up. If there is no feedback from the outsourcer, then it should be possible to hide the entry after a reasonable period of time (e.g. 6 months).

I do agree that hiding entries has to be controlled to stop people simply hiding unfavourable comments.

Also, there should be an easier way to change t
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I like the idea of the PH being visible but there is a problem when I can't deletem or make invisible old and not very relevant entries. This feature just gets too cluttered up. If there is no feedback from the outsourcer, then it should be possible to hide the entry after a reasonable period of time (e.g. 6 months).

I do agree that hiding entries has to be controlled to stop people simply hiding unfavourable comments.

Also, there should be an easier way to change the order of entries. I kept getting a really old and off-specialism project showing at the head of my PH.
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Henar Chico (X)
Henar Chico (X)  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 05:58
English to Spanish
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Project order Nov 29, 2007

I have the same issue, I can't change the project that appears at the top of my list.

Henar


 
Enrique Cavalitto
Enrique Cavalitto  Identity Verified
Argentina
Local time: 08:58
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
All users granted unlimited access to the project history feature Dec 13, 2007

When the Project History was launched, only site members had full access to this feature, while non-members were allowed to enter only up to 3 projects. Now this limit has been removed, and all site users have been granted unlimited access to the Project History.

ProZ.com is engaged in a thorough revision of profiles in order to provide more value and better interfaces to the community. The Project History is one of the features that will be improved to become a better administratio
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When the Project History was launched, only site members had full access to this feature, while non-members were allowed to enter only up to 3 projects. Now this limit has been removed, and all site users have been granted unlimited access to the Project History.

ProZ.com is engaged in a thorough revision of profiles in order to provide more value and better interfaces to the community. The Project History is one of the features that will be improved to become a better administration tool for you, as well as a way to market your services.

Some small modifications have been implemented already and a lot more will be made based on your feedback.

Kind regards,
Enrique
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Yaotl Altan
Yaotl Altan  Identity Verified
Mexico
Local time: 05:58
Member (2006)
English to Spanish
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Sorts Dec 31, 2007

It would be great special sorts like we use to do with data sheets, e.g., Excel.

My idea is that the profile owner can sort its projects according to:
- Translation date
- Field
- Alphabetical
- Language pairs

This can be done with buttons, just like in Excel. And why not? Visitors should be able to sort them too in order to get information faster, BUT just the owner should be able to save sorts according to his/her preferences.


 
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