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09:27 Aug 13, 2017
traduction anglais vers français [PRO]
Marketing - Général / conversation / salutations / correspondance
Terme ou expression en anglais : that appeal to (here)
term: product range

definition: a set of variations of the same product platform that appeal to different market segments


Merci d'avance
Alexandre Saviano
Thaïlande
Local time: 06:51
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Résumé des réponses proposées
3 +5qui s'adressent à
Solen Fillatre
4 +3qui présentent un attraitDaryo
3 +4(pouvant / susceptible d') interesser
Tony M
4qui font appel à différents segments de marché / qui attirent
Marcombes


  

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7 heures   confiance : Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 approbation des pairs (net) : +3
[ variations ...] that appeal to [different market segments]
qui présentent un attrait


Explication :
une autre variante

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Note added at 7 hrs (2017-08-13 16:50:20 GMT)
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ou bien, dans le jargon du métier :

des variations ciblées sur des segments différents du marché



Daryo
Royaume-Uni
Local time: 00:51
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Commentaires des pairs sur cette réponse (et réponses des répondeurs)
Accord  Tony M
13 heures
  -> Thanks!

Accord  Hélène Boisvert
21 heures
  -> Merci!

Accord  David GAY
2 jours3 heures
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9 heures   confiance : Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 approbation des pairs (net) : +5
qui s'adressent à


Explication :
A different idea, more along the lines of 'targeting' rather than 'appealing'

Solen Fillatre
France
Local time: 01:51
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Commentaires des pairs sur cette réponse (et réponses des répondeurs)
Accord  writeaway
4 heures

Accord  Rachel Fell
5 heures

Neutre  Tony M: But this rather turns it around, suggesting they are being addressed or targetted which (although we know it is what the company wants to do!) isn't actually what the s/t says.
11 heures

Accord  GILOU
13 heures

Accord  Maïté Mendiondo
14 heures

Neutre  ph-b: Une idée « différente », c'est sûr, mais est-ce une bonne idée ? Rien dans le texte ne dit qu'il y a ciblage (c'est probablement le cas mais le texte ne le dit pas) et to appeal = to attract=« plaire à» et non pas « cibler »
16 heures

Accord  David GAY
2 jours1 heure
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18 minutes   confiance : Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 approbation des pairs (net) : +4
that appeal to
(pouvant / susceptible d') interesser


Explication :
Many thanks to Gilles as ever for pointing out the slip in my previous answer, now corrected!

I just have this sort of feeling that it needs the notion of 'may / are liable to', which although not expressed is, I feel, implicit in the source text — in the context as given, it seems highly presumptuous to assert that they do for sure appeal to... one can only really assume that they are intended / likely to...


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I do take Writeaway's point (though I don't think it justifies her 'disagree', especially as it is only an optional part of my suggestion) — but the crux of the matter is that I feel it is implicit in the source text's use of 'appeal to', which does rather mean 'likely to appeal to'; the problem is, if one uses the verb 'intéresser' (with accent!) in FR, then the superficial (back) translation would become 'that interest...', which is quite a way removed from 'appeal to': "I think this will interest you" vs. "I think this will appeal to you"

As ph-b kindly points out, I think this is stylistically a more idiomatic way of expressing it in FR.

As for the use of 'convenir', I agree that this too would perhaps be more idiomatic in FR — but I am cautious not to take the translation too far in the direction of 'suitable for...', which is quite far removed from 'appeal to...'.

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Note added at 1 jour4 heures (2017-08-14 14:08:40 GMT)
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Rachel seems to have misunderstood my mention of 'feeling' in terms of the source text — I wasn't for one moment suggesting any "emotional'" connotation here, simply that there is a certain level of 'presumption' ine the source text that is lof in the target language if 'to interest' is used on its own; i.e. the source language says 'to appeal to...', and if we translate this as 'intéresser' in the target language, then we need to find a way to make sure it is udnerstood as such in FR and not mistaken for simply 'to interest'; although my suggested dolution may not be the best way to do, I believe that our FR native-speaker colleagues have understtod the point I am trying to make here.

Tony M
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Commentaires des pairs sur cette réponse (et réponses des répondeurs)
Désaccord  writeaway: but there is NO apt/likely to (interest) or may (interest) in the English so why have you introduced this notion into the French? The context is a straightforward definition /this is not marketing speak. It's a definition. This is over-translation
3 minutes
  -> As I have taken pains to explain (and bracketed), I feel it is implicit in this kind of marketing field, where we talk about 'targetting' customer groups; but Asker can leave it out if they feel it is inappropriate. I fear you are still missing my point.

Accord  Dada514: pouvant convenir / susceptible de convenir à différents marchés
28 minutes
  -> Merc, Dada !

Accord  Sandra Mouton: Je suis d'accord avec writeaway sur l'absence de "may interest" dans la lettre du texte mais d'accord avec vous Tony sur le fait que cet élément fait partie du contexte implicite du marketing. On cible un segment de marché en espérant que ça marche.
1 heure
  -> Merci, Sandra !

Accord  Annie Rigler
1 heure
  -> Merci, Annie !

Accord  ph-b: C'est effectivement plus idiomatique quand c'est accompagné (le feeling dont vous parlez) et tant pis pour le mot à mot. J'aime bien « pouvant convenir ». Et n'oublions pas l'accent aigu sur le premier « e ». :-)
1 heure
  -> Merci, ph-b ! Oui, mea culpa ! I just feel that 'appeal to' is different from 'interest', and that needs acknowledging in some way. I'm glad that as a native speaker you felt my suggestion was 'idiomatic'.

Accord  Daryo: nothing wrong in putting it this way, that's anyway implicitely part of the ST.
7 heures
  -> Merci, Daryo !

Neutre  Rachel Fell: As a native speaker of the source text, I see no indication of feeling or emotion in the use of "appeal" in this definition: it carries more of the meaning of "to serve", etc.
1 jour1 heure
  -> Thanks, Rachel! Of course I too am a native speaker of the source language; however, I think what is important here is to correctly capture the idiomatic sense in the TARGET language, as our native speaker colleagues in that language have corroborated.
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qui font appel à différents segments de marché / qui attirent


Explication :
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Aug 13 - Changes made by writeaway:
FieldAffaires / Finance » Marketing
Aug 13 - Changes made by Tony M:
FieldAutre » Affaires / Finance


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